The thread is waiting to do ir for a bigger payday.. there is no big payday if there is no market it is a pipe dream. Even if you are right about why studios continue to put out this product the question is still how long can it last in a market that is getting smaller everyday...it's a exercise in futility.
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Posted - Apr 20 2015 : 3:41AM
Yeah, yeah, we know...porn is doomed unless they start shooting more scenes with black girls. If they do, all of its problems will be solved and the industry will prosper. (You seem to repeat this opinion of yours over and over again in different threads. Personally, I'm cool with ebony babes, not to mention Asians and Latinas, but this notion of yours that not featuring enough black girls in porn is the biggest problem for the porn industry is ridiculous.)
Well if you look at the wrong places you'd find nothing, try in the Dogfart's thread for example anyway I don't really get what your point is on this topic ,even assuming I'm wrong , this wouldn't change a bit my point which is that actresses don't necessarily have a choice and sometimes they can't do what they want, either you challenge this or end this pissing contest
There will always be a market for porn. There will always be a market for new content. It might not be as big a market and the way people watch or purchase porn will change but there will always be a market for new content. And because of the nature of many porn viewers there will always be a certain amount of excitement for the next "new/first" thing. A girl's first anal, IR, gangbang, ect... because many hardcore porn watchers get bored easily and want to see the next new thing they hadn't seen yet. So there will always girls who will be able to take advantage of that (not that that's a bad thing).
Aren't latinos whites? Aren't Arabians whites? anyway as you said we must think as a global world thus you should take into consideration the 1.3 billion of Chinese , thus according to your reaso0ning to save porn we need Chinese on Chinese porn , unless you think that the over 4 billions Asians are eager to see black on black porn
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Posted - Apr 20 2015 : 10:26AM
Latinos are Latinos, Arabs are Arabs just because the census bureau classify them as white don't make it true. There should be more Asians working. The fact is there is a dwindling market for the product people don't want to see their men or women with other races.
Allot of analyzing going on. What sells, sells. I like what I like and I like Pornography; which to me usually entails contrasts; that is, black on white, young on old, big on small (and vice versas). So that's what I put my money on. In the world of modern porn, "IR" has clearly come to mean black (African, if you will) and White. Now for me, two young attractive performers of the same race having sex is more in the category of "sex education", than pornography. An actress that works for months and performs the whole range of sex acts without engaging in IR may not be a "racist" (depending what our individual idea of exactly what that is) however, she is certainly acting like she might be a racist, OK? (BTW I personally don't care if actresses with loads of ink, many piercings, and/or large fake hard shell breasts ever do IR, or anything else)
I'm giving you an information , Whites aren't a race a Slavic isn't a German, and none of them is a Celtic who also is no Greek , to them you have to add European Latins who also are of different races for Example Italians, Spanish , French and Romanians are all Latins but not the same race, think about it
I'm sorry, but I just completely and totally don't buy that for multiple reasons, starting with the fact that Brazzers and Naughty America both occasionally shoot IR (and Naughty actually shot her in an IR scene this year). For me to believe that it was a matter of companies not booking her would mean one of these things: 1.) That the typical IR companies/producers didn't want to shoot her in an IR scene: Nope, don't buy that. 2.) That she wasn't willing to shoot for the typical IR companies/producers: Possible, but I still don't think so since there seem to be very few performers out there that are straight up willing to turn down work when presented to them. 3.) That the companies that she was shooting for didn't want to shoot her in an IR scene: Don't really buy that either, and I'll say why. Using NA as the example since they did shoot her in one, NA has two primary directors right now. One of them has been shooting with them for about 4 years, the other has only been shooting for them for a year but was shooting for Brazzers for at least 3-4 years before that. For me to believe that Naughty didn't want to shoot her in an IR scene for the past few years would mean that either the company didn't want to, even though they've been shooting IR scenes (not that many, but they have), or that the directors didn't want to (even though they've shot multiple IR scenes over the past few years), and more importantly, that something happened in the past 6 months or so to make either the company or the directors change their minds. The more likely scenario with Capri is that she did the scene, then took IR off the things she was willing to do, and then put it back on recently which would explain the recent shoots. Lexi Belle basically did the same thing right before she quit (Lexi shot quite a few IR scenes when she started, then completely took it off her card and didn't do it again for years until her Elegant Angel feature before she stopped doing b/g).
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Posted - Apr 23 2015 : 1:30PM
They see black guys more like props. Sounds racist and it is.
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That's all any guy is in porn, a prop, and who cares if its racist or not. It's porn, nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted - Apr 25 2015 : 3:14PM
I would no more assume that these guys are racist than I would assume that they are gay or bisexual. Should we suppose that dommes must be misandrists if they dominate men? No. Instead, we should recognize that what we are dealing with is a fetish. Likewise, IR cuckolding, like cuckolding in general, is a fetish. That a person derives pleasure from race-play, in this case IR cuckolding, does not necessarily mean that s/he is a racist. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but either way we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I would extend that same principle to IR cuckolding in porn. For example, there are a few cuckolding sites in the Dogfart network. Dogfart is a race-play fetish network. The same is true of DVD lines and sites with the same or similar content. I'm not qite sure why it isn't obvious to more people that these are fetish scenes. We shouldn't take race-play fetish scenes any more literally than we should any other type of fetish porn. Why so many do so is something I will never understand. I find it amazing that even Carter Cruise, who has shot over 10 scenes for Kink.com, could write that "A lot of interracial porn doesn’t JUST feature interracial sex, but glorifies racial stereotypes to an extreme." Fine. She has a right to her opinion, but If we are going to take race-play fetish scenes literally then in order to be consistent we should apply that standard across the board and to scenes such as the very rapey "No Cuntry for Dirty Sluts", of which we must conclude that it glorifies misogynistic stereotypes to an extreme. If we are not going to do that, then we are subjecting race-play porn to a double-standard.
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Posted - Apr 25 2015 : 4:27PM
^ Bottom line is watching Blacks have sex is more entertaining. The fact that the industry has become all white supports the poster's claim. It is now about competing with Black males. If things don't change soon porn will not exist in a few years. No one is buying it and they can't give it away so the tube sites are killing porn excuse doesn't hold water.
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Posted - Apr 25 2015 : 4:43PM
Black on black sex doesn't generally interest me. I prefer IR.
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It is not about Black on Black it is about no one likes a racist. It is a threat to everyone. It is being rejected in porn and rightfully so...it is repulsive.
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I am basically with Miss Porn. Personally, I can enjoy all shades of straight porn. However, obvious racism annoys me. But I have to admit that I find the verbal contortions and twisted logic employed to explain a white actress's (apparent?) racism amusing and fun to poke at. Most white actresses that do IR do mostly other stuff but they have at least demonstrated that they are not afraid the black will rub off. A couple of examples are Teagan and Sunrise Adams. They both did some pretty hard IR stuff way back; however, for whatever reason have done little or no IR since. I can accept their "reasons" for avoiding the genre as non racist. I continue to enjoy their work. On the other hand the most obvious example of sophistry I can think of in the realm of hard core porn are the defenders Tailor Rain. She is an individual that "acted" in a couple of hundred porn scenes. An attractive slender performer that would do every thing imaginable on tape with anyone, except an african american; she wouldn't touch one of those with a 20 ft. pole. The capper was a tape with good old Max Hardcore when she avidly licked off a dildo that had been in Catalina's ass then proceeded to literally drink about a quart Max's urine in addition to a good pint of Catalina's piss while sitting in a pool of her own pee. Now this girl had standards because at least she didn't let a you-know-what near her. Now we are all free to do what we want with whoever and watch whatever and buy scene's featuring whatever, no issue period. Why would anyone ever think that Tailor Rain is a racist(?) come on. Back to the subject, in the spirit of togetherness, I admit I would personally pay big bucks to view a scene where Tailor finally gest worked over by a couple of the brothers; than I could go back and finally enjoy her previous work.
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Posted - Apr 25 2015 : 10:34PM
Since we are taking about it what are paid rates for a 1st IR scene and how much does an IR scenes after the first one go by?
Edited by - Interracial4Life on 4/25/2015 10:40:54 PM
I agree. I see some people complaining about "showing blacks this way is racist..." or whatever but it's porn and porn is about fantasies and fetishes not being politically correct. There are obviously a lot of white viewers (and black) who like to watch the big black bull/thug/guy pound away at the little/helpless/horny white girl. That's their thing. They're into that senario. Those people don't really want to see loving or romantic sex between a black guy and a white girl, they want to see a big black bull "punishing" a white girl. I can't believe how many people can't see that it's a fetish for them. It's amusing to watch/read people justify that fetish with arguments of racial equality and racism when it's really nothing more than them wanting a BBC "punishing" a white girl. That's why so many people get so caught up in if the guy is "black enough" or really African American. Because their fantasy isn't being met if it's not a real BBC. That's why pretty everytime some people chime in on who they want the girl to do IR with they name the biggest black guys or the harder black performers, because it's important that the guy be black and big and be able to "punish" the girl right. Of course not everyone gets off on the BBC "punishing" the poor white girl senario but there are some who it's clearly a fetish watching IR....even though they refuse to admit it's a fetish. And of course there are the black men who seem to get overly upset over girls who don't do IR or charge more for it because they have hangups and take it personally. But in all these senarios I think there's a bit of "racism" (for lack of a better word) because those people are seeing black people as a seperate entity. If they were truly seeing everyone as equals these conversations wouldn't exist because people wouldn't care if the a girl did IR or not. Why is it so important for some that girls do IR? Because they've separated black people in their mind as people who forfills(sp?) their fantasies. Sometimes those fantasies are put blacks in a negative light even though it's not so obvious. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with any of this because if there' a big enough market to sustain it and no one is being hurt or forced to do something I'm fine with people being able to watch their fantasy/fetishes. But I do find it funny that so many people that so many people use the "racism in porn" arguement because they have a BBC on little white girl fetish as if they arguing for some sort of a high cause.
Great point misspornUSA, I'll also add that I bet wheb her showcase drops and her 1st IR is out of the way all that "IR is raciest" stuff will all go away and you'll see her on dogfarts, Evil Angel and everywhere else. At the end of the day it's all about money and both nothing else matters. If any girl says anything else there not telling the truth.
My experience and intuition tell me that Carter will not do an "IR" scene. The tip off is the convoluted, tortured logic given for her not doing it so far. I do however really hope I am wrong.
^ Not just one scene, it's and entire showcase You may also want to know that usually blacked has an exclusive agreement , those working with them must retain IR for 6 months Edited by - LCF on 4/29/2015 9:27:40 AM
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Posted - Apr 29 2015 : 12:07PM
What's interesting about this is that Blacked is an interracial website with a capital IR. In no way does Blacked de-racialize interracial sex as Carter Cruise suggests it does in her blog post. That's not a criticism of Blacked. I LOVE that website, but then again I don't have a problem with watching a scenario in which an unsatisfied white woman cheats on her white boyfriend or husband with a black man (a common trope on Blacked), who of course is presented in a highly fetishized manner. And why would I? Porn is full of stereotypical tropes. Carter Cruise has played a "slutty" babysitter at least three times now, including in a scene in which she is spit on, slapped, forcibly undressed, tied up, flogged and verbally degraded throughout. Why is it that none of the stereotypes in such a scene (and as I've said many times before, I like that kind of content) are "wrong and unjust," which is how Carter describes the stereotypes in race-play porn? I intend to watch Carter's Blacked showcase. I am not picking on Carter Cruise, but some of the sentiments expressed in her blog post unfortunately provide a perfect example of the double standard that a lot of "IR scenes are racist!!!" types practice when they evaluate interracial scenes. Except when it comes to Blacked of course, which for some unknown rea$on is excepted from that. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/29/2015 12:31:41 PM
^ It's because it looks nice. You dress things up pretty and people are willing to forget/forgive/look over a lot of things.
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Posted - Apr 30 2015 : 2:06AM
^ In regards to the aforementioned comment from Carter Cruise (which has basically been repeated by other performers before), I just find it to be a politically correct way of saying, "Actually, I have no plans to do IR in the near-future," or "I'm just waiting for the most lucrative offer for IR." Girls know that stating their true intentions on the matter would lead to social media/internet backlash, as the self-appointed IR watchdogs would go into a fit. Considering that, I understand why some girls resort to making these statements, which we find kind of ridiculous and lead us to roll our eyes (); I mean, other than a girl stating "Oh yeah, I'm ready to do IR right now!", is there any other answer a girl could give that wouldn't lead the IR watchdogs to moan and complain? So yeah, these politically correct statements that these girls give are silly (and hypocritical in most cases), but I get why they make them-'cause the IR watchdogs would go crazy if they simply stated the truth.
^ Forget "any other", for the people you're talking about, any reply that isn't "I'm booked for one right now" is gonna get undeserved complaints. Anecdotally speaking, when I went to AVN, I got to talk to a fairly popular performer that does IR, and has for a while, and she told me she still gets complaints from those type of people that she doesn't do enough IR scenes. I'd personally prefer the honest approach, but I understand that that might lead to more backlash than it's worth. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 4/30/2015 2:33:57 AM
I too said often that blacked is only the good looking face of the kind of IR you may find on dogfart , they are just more polite so to speak and the studs aren't playing the thug, but either the presentation of the scenes and some situations are very similar and it was worse when they used to put a solo teasing with the star talking about taking a BBC. However some scenes aren't that way , for example consider the scenes of Alli Rae , in her first she's going in the mansion of some instructor she met (Jason Brown) and she's telling to a friend about that through her cell describing him as cute and then telling her he-s black , she made herself comfortable went swimming in the pool then he arrived , a little passion and they fucked , she was very much into it and him (they actually hooked up after this scene and become a couple for a while ) In her second scene she's complaining with Dakota James about her boyfriend's infidelity so Dakota suggests her to repay him with the same coin she made a call then introduces Flash Brown to Alli They implied her BF was white and that to cheat on him with a black was the worsest thing she could do to him which is a little bit racist in my view , but you can easily think she's actually complaining about Jason so Flash is just another man. They are losing great opportunities to create a coherent world which would add to every scene. I created a DVD out of the scenes (I do this often mixing scenes from sites or ripping related scenes from some DVDs I own to either create a personalized showcase or a some storyline with the same performer) I put in 4 scenes , that of Alli , the scene with Dakota and Jason , the scene with Dakota , Flash and Alli and the Threesome with Dakota , Jason and Isaiah Maxwell , all of them from Blacked , I could have added some other scene with Jason and another girl possibly another blue-eyed blonde such as Karla Kush or maybe that wonderful first scene with Keisha Grey or even both What was my Storyline? Well Alli meets Jason she liked him and managed to get seduced by him , she likes him even more they hook up, but the friend she was talking to (Dakota) got curious and managed to fuck him too and she is also hooked up with him , Alli somehow found out about him cheating on her and asks her friend for help and advice , Dakota then exploits the occasion to make sure they split up so she introduces Flash to her , she then become his GF and even accepts to be shared to a friend of him end of story. I could have added the mentioned scenes to either change the friend she was talking to impling it was a different one than Dakota or just to confirm he was cheating on Alli all the time her best friend included , there were lots of possibility Scarlet Red's scen is also good she went to a neighbor who happened to be black , wasn't looking for a big black cock Of course you have to remove the lines they used to introduce the scene, and use your fantasy to link the scenes
I have to disagree with you. Peta Jensen from day one said that she would do IR, Anal, and DP 2 years into her career and she has not been harassed by the "IR watchdogs" as you called them, sure you get the one off tweet by someone who doesn't know her policy but for the most part she is left alone and that's the way you do it. I don't want to look like I'm picking in Carter but the reason she got do much shit is because she basically did the complete opposite in every way from what Peta did. First, she said the reason she's not doing IR is because if the industry and the way it's treated. Second, she said she wanted to wait to do IR because in her words "It's stupid to do IR in your first year" but then she goes out and does anal, dps, blowbang, gangbangs and rape style scenes. Now, she has a problem with the way IR is shot. Do you see a pattern here? One girl came out from the jump and stated her intentions up front and she doesn't receive any real negative comments but the other girl continuously changes her reasoning and gets hate. Now I'm not saying that the people that harass her are justified but you can't tell me it would not have gone differently for Carter if she just said from day one that she's not doing IR until she does everything else first. Edited by - bobmarblee on 4/30/2015 11:30:58 AM
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Posted - Apr 30 2015 : 11:14AM
^He's only critiquing her IR strategy, or lack thereof. He's not picking on her, which to my mind would be more personal. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/30/2015 11:15:26 AM
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Posted - Apr 30 2015 : 5:24PM
Well, I disgree because of the "I don't want you to seem like I'm picking on you" comment. Translation "I'm going to pick on you" but by me telling you I'm not picking on you makes it okay. No different that people who use the term "the N Word" like that makes them not racist because they didn't actually say the word. It's also along the lines of the person who constantly says, "to tell you the truth" or "honestly" just before they ream you on the estimate for the repairs, you just know they're full of it.
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Posted - Apr 30 2015 : 5:38PM
^I understand where you're coming from and I would feel the same way if he actually picked on her in his post, but where are the examples? I just don't see any evidence of him picking on Carter Cruise in his post.
^I don't think you actually read my post? Because it really seems like you just read that one sentence.
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Posted - May 2 2015 : 12:22AM
Of course, if a girl has decided that she will definitely do IR, she can make a statement like that. (Funny how wide a window she gave herself for it.) However, if a girl is not sure about doing IR, the politically correct route is really the only way to go. As for Miss Jensen, she better follow through on her word, 'cause there are too many fans out there that take that shit way too seriously, where they feel like the girl has made a promise to them, personally, that she will do whatever she said she would in a random tweet, forum post, interview, etc. God forbid they don't follow through on it.
The lifespan (career wise) of a porn star is relatively short. Compared to say, the lifespan of a doctor. A female in porn will, in general, probably be done w/in 10 years, if not sooner. After that, they need to have enough to do what they want to do. So basically, I think she should get as much money as she can while she can get it. That said, I would say the same thing about the doctor.
anyway, I want to high five many of you for recognizing and pointing out some very glaring double standards in porn here. This thread is deeper than I anticipated it might be.
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Posted - May 2 2015 : 1:12PM
I'm sorry you were "critiquing" which is polite way of saying you were picking on her.
But what would be the politically correct route though? Ya some guys do take the "IR crusading" to the next level and I'm sure that it's not getting any girls to do there first IR scenes but at the same time I don't that it really discourages any girls from doing IR either because you and I both know that if the money is right every girl will jump at it. Edited by - bobmarblee on 5/2/2015 10:53:14 PM
There may be plenty of girls who have similar career plans but they choose not to spell it out to fans like that. While you personally may find that answer acceptable there are lots of other fans who will find that to be an excuse or want to know why she chooses to wait so long and badger her to move up her timeline. I tend to agree that there's no answer a girl can give that will make all fans happy as to why she doesn't do IR at that current time. It's a no-win situation. No mater what she says there will be fans who find a problem with it. Hell, even after a girl finally decides to do it there are fans who blow it off and claim she should've done when she was "in her prime" or that the guy wasn't black enough or whatever.
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 12:33PM
So how much do these girls charge to fuck "the Asian guy"?
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 12:38PM
Doesn't count because it's not IR so it's the same as a B/G scene, btw who much does a black girl do a scene with an white man because it's not IR scene too. Edited by - Interracial4Life on 5/3/2015 12:39:47 PM
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 1:57PM
^Hmm, speaking of black girls I was wondering if they charge more to fuck black guys too... because in porn that's technically IR... seeing as white guys fucking black girls isn't really IR that must mean black girls fucking black guys is IR because white girls fucking Asians and Latinos isn't IR and Asian and Latina girls fucking white guys isn't IR but when they fuck black guys it is IR and not only that but they charge more and compare having sex with black guys to fucking guys in the ass with strap-ons, I was gonna say trannies but it would appear fucking trannies is higher up on the to do list now ..considering I've seen girls that don't fuck black guys but will fuck she-males with no issue whatsoever...and they probably don't ask for more money to do that either.....no racism in all this though clearly..I don't why anyone could possibly come to that conclusion .. ..... .
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 4:38PM
^its probably less. From what I've seen, the whole black on black genre looks very low budget and crack whorish, and that's counting both the guys and girls.
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 4:44PM
But why does it have to even have to be brought up? Instead of dwelling on the ones who don't do black guys why not just focus on the ones who do. The whole forced tolerance thing just gets tiring. I almost long for the days 10-15 years ago when the big issue was whether someone was a cum dodger.
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 5:19PM
Many IR watchdogs may never be satisfied no matter what a pornstar says or does vis-à-vis IR, but IR fans in general are not necessarily so stringent. At the same time, we don't want to be treated like idiots. Stating that"It's stupid to do IR in your first year" isn't at all pc, but I think that fans who recognize that porn is a business are able to tolerate an honest answer like that more than a popular stock response such as "IR scenes are racist." The latter excuse keeps the pornstar's most diehard fans happy but leaves a lot of the rest of us shaking our heads at the bs. I don't imagine that honesty is always the best policy. "I just hate black guys" would probably not be well received, though frankly if a pornstar were popular enough they could probably probably survive the backlash. Either way that shouldn't obscure the fact that porn fans are adults. It would be nice if more pornstars made an effort to keep that in mind when answering questions about IR.If "forced tolerance" were the issue, so-called IR "dodgers" wouldn't attract so much venom when they take sexy, suggestive pics with black male performers or other black men. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/3/2015 5:21:19 PM
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