^^Who's dwelling? I mentioned Carter once in one post, I don't post in her thread or in other threads about her(other then this one) and for that matter I don't post about any girl that doesn't do IR. This is why these threads keep locked right here, because some 'white knight" grabs onto one sentence and trust to make a big deal out of it. You really need to take your own advice and LET IT GO!!!✌✌ BTW, you don't have to post in IR threads if you don't like seeing people talk about IR, if you don't know.👍😉 Edited by - bobmarblee on 5/3/2015 5:22:24 PM
To be honest, the threads get closed because people on both sides start getting heated and start arguing with each other instead of arguing the actual point of the thread. Which annoys me because it is a discussion that can be had civilly, but almost never does. And it gets even worse if you actually want to talk to a performer about it on the open internet (which is why you don't see most performers talking about it).
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Posted - May 3 2015 : 8:08PM
The most crack whorish type scenes I've seen are from low rent garbage like facial abuse from Duke Skywalker. And I'm sure you were trying to make an anti-Black point but it doesn't stand up based on the evidence. As for Carter, at this point looking at her filmography she's done pretty much every circus act imaginable less than 2 years into her career. She's shot out. So I'm not surprised, that from her perspective, the only thing left for her to help her career is to do a scene with someone who has more melanin than her and act like it's revolutionary. As for the more money issue I think with more girls not being racially bigoted and doing more such scenes it's not an issue as it once was. Also if such girls only do one scene they're not making much money as they don't make residuals. So they would need to do dozens of movies of that sort to make the higher pay worth it. Edited by - Zy28 on 5/3/2015 8:09:05 PM
Unless the girls says something incredibly dumb I'm willing to give most girls a pass on the answers they give because yeah, we're all adults watching porn but unfortunately not all fans act like adults. So I can understand why a girl will give and answer that she thinks will get her the least amount of grief. It just doesn't make sense to open yourself up to that these days where any fan has access to bother you with nonsense. The dumbest answer I've heard a pornstar as to why she didn't do IR would have to be Jenna Jameson on the Howard Stern Show. Howard would always ask pornstars if they did IR and if they didn't why didn't they. Not that he really cared but he like to try to put them on the spot and thought he was being controversial. Jenna said the reason she didn't do IR was because when she was in porn there weren't that many black guys. To a non-porn person they might fall for that...for even a casual porn watcher that must've sounded totally ridiculuous.
If there was a big enough market for it and enough fans demanded it I'm pretty sure they'd try to charge more to bang Asian guys. I'm pretty sure if there were a strong enough market for white guys banging black women and it wasn't more a a niche thing, black women would charge more money for it. I'm sure that if the new hot trend was to see homely pornstars banging in porn movies/scenes those not so good-looking girls would raise their rates. If BBW girls were suddenly the new hot thing those BBW girls who currently don't make as much as their slimmer counterparts would raise their rates as the demand for them increased. See the common denominator? When the demand for something is there the oppurtunity to exploit it for a bigger payday happens. Not always a bad thing. It's simply the way business works.
Not to dwell or anything but where is it documented that Carter Cruise will shoot for Blacked, other than in this thread? I checked the Blacked site and her thread in Star Crossed and noticed nothing.
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Posted - May 5 2015 : 10:27PM
White knight? Seriously, you think I'm a white night because I say to focus on the girls who do the black guys and not dwell on the ones that don't??? You are clearly mistaken. Read some of my I/R reviews and tell me if you think that. I say bring on the blackest thuggish brothas from the hood and have them go gangland on skinny ass white girls with small tits and baby smooth pussies. I want to hear the most racist "big black cock" "n+*^%r cock" and "n#%^}R cum" "n&@&@r baby" etc etc etc dialogue going. Would I love to hear Kota and Carter say stuff like that? "Your damn skippy I would". Will they, no way in hell. I just get tired of the same old whining; "she's a racist" "there's more tolerance in Europe". "OMG my favorite performer won't do I/R even know she says she loves the blacks in real life and now she's retired" and the always pseudo scientific Sigmund Freud type mumbo jumbo on what constitutes racism and racists.
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Posted - May 5 2015 : 10:53PM
Carter Cruise has apparently shot an IR showcase, and considering that this thread is about pornstars holding off on shooting IR in the hopes that they can eventually negotiate a showcase, discussing Carter is quite obviously appropriate.Neither Bobmarblee nor anyone here has called Carter a racist or compared her unfavorably to European pornstars.Are you sure you're on the right thread?Again, this sounds like another thread. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/5/2015 11:15:54 PM
I'm a black man. If a girl I was previously into just up and states, "look, I don't fuck black men, don't find them attractive" that ruins the fantasy. If it becomes apparent that a girl is avoiding black men, it ruins the fantasy. Yes, I can opt to watch the porn of the countless women who will fuck black men, but why should I have to? Yes, I've stopped watching porn from several girls. Do I think they are racist, no, not all of them. But it certainly ruins the fantasy. This may be outside the scope of this conversation, but I doubt you'd find many women who outright refuse to fuck white dudes. Those girls probably do exist, but I'd think they are far more rare than the reverse, so again, it seems that maybe people who aren't black don't experience this type of, fantasy cold shower that I do. If a girl doesn't do anal, no big deal. I like fucking vaginas and faces too. If a girl doesn't like fucking black guys... well... I don't know if that is why other people might bring it up. That is why *I* would.
^yeah, being black I would take it personally if a porn star, of all people, just blatantly said she doesn't fuck black guys. However, I still watch pornstars that have never/will never do ir as they have their reasons. Likely its not because they are racist(although I'm sure a few of them are.)
^^I'm also a black man, I wouldn't say I take it personally when a girl says she's not attracted to black men but It does ruin the fantasy for me and I can't really watch her flicks after that.I guess her weird strategy work then huh. Kinda reminds me of last year when Adriana Chechik said that stuff in stern and Mimefreak came on here and basically said it was all a ploy to get her first IR rate up. I guess this us the new thing.
Well she didn't really hide the fact that she wanted to get a featured showcase since she said it herself in her thread. And also the Rob Piper article leak shows that at least one scene was shot a while ago. People jumping to wild conclusions don't really know much of anything that's going on behind the scenes. So if the Blacked showcase is her then that means she was already shooting IR scenes right under your noses without anyone being none the wiser. It's not like they just decided now to start shooting. It's obviously been in the works for quite some time. People doing all this fussing but are still going to end up watching the scenes at the end of the day. Why is she catching more flack then some of the other 1st timers on the site BTW calling them racist isn't going to get them to shoot IR any faster. And yes, I'm black and there are multiple chicks who have yet to do IR that fill my hard drive.
all of this is kinda deja vu Keisha Grey shot her first IR with Blacked way before the site came to existence , she had the usual temporary exclusivity agreement , being constantly harassed she said she did two scenes , but nothing appeared, so she was called , names and "IR troll" was the gentlest , yet she spoke the truth. Dani Daniels did the same she shot for Blacked but no IR could be shot until her showcase was out , again "troll" ,"liar" and this only because she and Prince complimented each other on twitter and a picture of the together at an event came out. Again she was right It was said on Blacked thread about a new showcase , we couldn't imagine who could it be , some thought Vicki Chase who has an agreement with blacked, can't shoot IR for any other company even if many asked for her but no scene is coming out, so it was only natural to think of her. Then some say there was a rumor about Carter Cruise, then a PR company presenting an event mentioned her "Blacked Showcase" among her credited works so we talked about it on Blacked thread, then the PR edited his post and removed any mention of such Showcase. Then another non IR showcase of Carter showed up so maybe Blacked decided to postpone hers . furthermore Carter begun in late 2013 and did her IR in late 2014 or early 2015 , it's not this long after all , she's been referred as if it was a veteran
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Posted - May 6 2015 : 12:05PM
I wouldn't put them in quite the same boat. While Adriana's criticisms of IR scenes were very similar to Carter's, Carter has never masqueraded as a racist the way Adriana did. More to Adriana's credit, she appeared to concede that race-focused IR scenes were in fact fetish scenes in a post on her thread, though strangely in that same post she called race "unimportant" (why did she go to such lengths to get paid more for her first IR then?). More important than any of this is the fact that Adriana's strategy did not ultimately secure her the payment she wanted, while Carter's approach seems to have been successful. I also expect that Cruise's showcase will make a bigger splash than Chechik's single scene with Lex did, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.This is only due to the kinds of scenes she's already shot. It was the same with Adriana Chechik. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/6/2015 1:02:30 PM
I assume she went to such lengths to get paid more because she isn't doing porn for pleasure, she's doing it for the money. If she can charge more for a first, for IR or for anything else then it is only common sense to do so.
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Posted - May 6 2015 : 1:23PM
^Unlike many IR fans and a number of pornstars I actually don't have a problem with anyone, including Adriana, asking for more money to shoot IR. However, she went and above and beyond the norm in her attempt to accomplish that goal, and a crucial component of her strategy was to publicly place a heavy emphasis on the importance of race. After all of that, she claims that race is "unimportant"?
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Posted - May 6 2015 : 3:05PM
All names mentioned were used as in a general nature and not in a literal nature.
^I'm pretty sure she was talking about her career in which case the "race is unimportant" comment does seem a little ridiculous when she asked for more to do a scene with a black guy.
^ there are different reasons and way of thinking for this basically: 1) A black guy ? are you kidding? You have to pay me ridiculously for this. 2) A black guy ? sure why not? But since you guys are making ridiculous amounts of money selling IR then you damn sure have to pay me accordingly 3) A black guy? No prob, but you guys used to pay double rates for this, since I'm not dumb and I'm here for the money then you have to pay me more. You may be right for the first case scenario, but not for the other two
Maybe race is unimportant to her but she feels that shouldn't stop her from cashing in on it since it seems to be important to many other people. That's treating it like a business. Again...fans have made IR sex into this big thing. If it's something that makes more money for everyone else involved why shouldn't she get more also? Regardless of how she feels about it personally, if others have cashed in on it she perhaps feels she should too. If a girl likes or doesn't mind anal sex and it's no big deal for her to do it should she offer to do it for the same price as non-anal scenes when she knows she can get more to do anal?
^ This I actually agree with, for the most part. If a studio is willing to pay you a rate, then I don't really see anything wrong with charging it. If the industry wanted girls to stop asking for more money for IR scenes, then the major companies would stop paying girls more money for IR scenes that aren't their first (paying more for first anything that there's demand for just makes sense).
^^How is anal sex and interracial sex the same? It's not but I know why you look at it the same though, it's because the industry told us it was. Not fans, the industry.
^ They're the same in the sense that they're both something some fans want to see pornstars do and start requesting it if they don't get it fast enough for them. They're the same in the way that both can pay more even if the girl doesn't mind doing it. They're the same how many girls are told not to rush into doing it and pace their career. They're the same in that some girls enter the business not planning or wanting to do but may end up doing because of fan demand or to help along their career. They're the same because if a girl doesn't do it many fans label the girl and complain that they had a lesser porn career because they didn't do it.
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Posted - May 10 2015 : 2:44PM
Maybe some of these girls who are waiting for a big IR pay aren't particularly attracted to black guys? She's only doing herself damage because true, the scene is probably not going to be the best. You can tell when there isn't chemistry between the two in the scene. Now Carter Cruise and Adriana Chechik aren't really into black men but are just doing it for the money. Now if Blacked.com give Carter Cruise a showcase movie which is true or not then she is just doing it for the money and putting her name out there so it won't be a good movie. I watched the Dani Daniels Deepers, she had some great chemistry with her costars in every scene she did. The Adriana Chechik IR scene with Lex wasn't a good scene IMO. She wasn't really into it at all or didn't wanted to there. I guess she doing it because of the backlash she got from whole Howard Stern interview. Most girls who charge more for IR aren't really into black men at all just doing it fore the money, the same with girls who do anal but don't enjoy it.
I see the allure of a couple of black thug-like characters fucking some cute little white chick with twelve inch dicks (preferably with some nasty gangbanger talk) but directors have to be careful going in that direction. Porn doesn't always have black guys available that can convincingly portray a thug character as active performers. Can you imagine Prince Yahshua trying to play a thug? How about Lexington Steele? I know Billy from Dogfart found a few he trusts (they are kept so busy working for him that they don't seem to perform elsewhere) but if this one really takes off I fear that directors will start trolling Compton looking for black guys that look like thugs and get one that is actually a thug in real life along with the violence, drugs, VDs, etc. that come from someone deep in the gang life. Not all blacks that look like thugs are actually gangbanging thugs (probably much less than half are) but unfortunately some are and having a female performer harmed because of it scares me about this trend and scoping a known gang haven like Compton or East Los Angeles out for people fitting this description and persona (which some idiot would do, trust me on that) increases the chance greatly.
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Posted - May 11 2015 : 9:44AM
I can't stand Yahshua and his theatrics so I skip his scenes altogether as I think he's a lame performer. I was referring to the guys like Shorty and Jon Jon and the others who looked like they just got out of Lompoc.
^^ I'd argue that there's not much more of a chance of this happening recruiting a black male performer than a white one. Let us not forget that the most recent incident of a male performer having serious drug/violence issues was basically a "white" guy with a Jersey Shore haircut. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 5/11/2015 10:07:03 AM
^^^^That's my point. The industry natures that way of thinking by paying girls more to work with a black guy, I'm bot blaming the girls for taking advantage of that but you can't say it's the fans fault for "making a big deal about it" when there told it's a big deal by the industry.
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Posted - May 11 2015 : 11:21AM
If this one takes off??? Devil's Film has been filming those kinds of scenes since the late 90s and they've never seemed to have a problem finding talent. "Thug" IR scenarios are not a new phenomenon. I should also mention that the the guys who appear the most in DogFart scenes all get work outside of that network. Rico Strong has appeared in over 100 scenes for DogFart (has anyone shot with them more?) and is all over the place. Shane Diesel is another performer who shoots for DogFart regularly (over 80 scenes) and is still successful elsewhere. It's interesting to note that Shane Diesel has appeared in countless "n+*^%r cock" and "n#%^}R cum" scenes, more than anyone else that I can think of, yet he did not play a "thug" in those scenes.It's a chicken or the egg question isn't it? Like you (I assume) I've never seen anyone provide evidence that it was the fans, not the industry, that developed the idea of IR as a distinct genre and with that the concept of "first IR." Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/11/2015 12:24:10 PM
Sure I can lay some of the fault on the fans. Some fans do make a a big deal about a girl doing IR. It's a constant subject on these and other messageboards. Girls who don't do it are constantly asked/badgered if/when they're going to do it. The fans label the girls negatively if they don't do it. Fans ask for from directors. When a girl does it and it's labelled as a girl's first IR it apparetly bumps up sales to the point a director is willing to pay a girl more r at the very least exploit that's it's a girl's first IR. You're trying to lay all the blame on the industry but the industry is a reflection of what fans want (what sells best). Many fans like to see anal scenes so the industry pumps out more anal scenes. Big butts and breasts are wanted by more fans so we get more porn themed towards big butts and breasts. You don't see more BBW scenes because it's not something a big part of fandom wants to see. You don't see more foot fetish because the fanbase ifor it is realitively small in comparison overall. What we're seeing in IR porn is based on fan reaction.
?! When has acting abiltity been a major criteria in porn? Are people tuning out porn because the girl doesn't play a convincing secretary? Will porn directors start hiring real pizza deliveryboys because the guys in porn don't seem convincing playig those parts? I think the guys you name play "thugs" good enough. from what I've seen there isn't one way to play a "thug".
The people who are most hardcore about seeing any and every girl do IR seem to care less if the girl isn't into black guys or that it would make for a lesser or just bad scene.Maybe...maybe not...It's totally possible that with the "right" black guy and/or right director those girls could give a great IR performance. I've seen some people in past compalining that so many girls picked Sean Michaels or Mr Marcus for their first IR scene or jonly ust prefer working with certain black guys. But it only makes sense a girl will want to work with a guy likes or has heard good things about from other girls. Just like with white on white, lesbian, or pretty much any type of porn some people will have better chemistry with certain people based on the way they're treated, or how they feel about that person.
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Posted - May 11 2015 : 4:23PM
Sure I can lay some of the fault on the fans. Some fans do make a a big deal about a girl doing IR. It's a constant subject on these and other messageboards. Girls who don't do it are constantly asked/badgered if/when they're going to do it. What we're seeing in IR porn is based on fan reaction.
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But at the end of the day, it's the fans that actually make the girl the star by subscribing to the sites, buying the DVD's, etc etc. Bottom line: if it weren't for the guys, the girls wouldn't have jobs. So you really can't blame the fans for wanting something different from the girls. Every cigarette company offers Regular, 100's, lights, menthols, etc. I know it isn't the same thing, but the overall message is the same, the companies are responding to the consumer demand. Granted, the excessive harping and badgering is tiresome and annoying, but if I have $100 to blow on porn, I'll want to spend it on someone I want to see doing what I want to see.
^ fans? why not customers? They create the demand thus the higher the demand the higher the price. , looks pretty simple to me, also there are customers who only buy IR thus the need of a tag much like a logo for a product so that the potential customer knows what he would find in there , also what they would not find for those who don't like IR either because they want black girls with black guys or white guys with white girls. The times when anabolic and red light made no difference are gone
If what we're seeing in IR a fan reflection, then why do agents still tell girls not to do IR at all? Captain Jack did an interview with Sovereign Syre and said straight up that she was told not to do IR period, so what would that unnamed agent do that? I think, like I said before, that the industry has made it into a huge deal and conditioned the fans to think that it is.
^ That because it IS , a huge DEAL I mean , people earn money from that , do you think it would be fair if only the producers were making such amounts? Anyway that of agents suggesting not to do IR looks like an excuse , the greatest agent of all not only doesn't suggest anything like that but almost encourages his girls to do it,almost all the Spieglergirls do IR ,always did , very few among them didn't or don't
Agreed 100%. Yahshua, Lex, and Sean Michaels seem to get all the good IR Anal scenes with the most attractive girls, and now I find myself skipping their scenes.
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Posted - May 11 2015 : 6:05PM
^^People make money off porn in general. That doesn't mean that the idea that IR (and "first IR" in particular) is something special came from the fans/consumers rather than the industry.
There are some agents that hold on to the old ways of thinking. There are agents still trying to hold on to the Jenna Jameson/comtract girl business model of porn. Lots of girls will simply go along with that line of thinking because they figure the agent is in the business and must know what they're talking about. But I have to imagine once many of the girls actually talk and interact with other pornstars they realize that not everything their agents say is true. Feel free to think what you will about fans not making the IR situation what it is. Myself and others have explained and given examples why we feel it isn't so and at this point I'm just talking in circles about it.
I don't refer to the IR demanders as "customers" because a huge number of them aren't actually buying anything and don't pay for most of if any of their porn these days. Also, there seems to be a lot of people who use this whole IR argument as an excuse to complain about the girls and have no intention of watching many of the girls they complain about when they do actually do IR.
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Posted - May 11 2015 : 11:13PM
In my mind fans are the same thing as customers. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
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