Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day (page 10)

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Iramaj1 Senior Member 1397 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:27PM Draxxx wrote: You just don't want to just come out and say it. Everything you're saying points to you having your own set of rules on how you think a girl should do career-wise when it comes to IR. Click to expand And that's what it all boils down to. They can hold out for a bigger payday but they better not do anything else (DP's, GB's) before they do IR. LCF wrote: Capri Cavanni actually did her first IR scene in her first year with Tyler Knight Click to expand Started in '08 and shot that in 2010 [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:35PM ^ Issued in January, shot months before , let's say then within 12 months instead of first year [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:45PM LCF wrote: Capri Cavanni actually did her first IR scene in her first year with Tyler Knight Carter Cruise scenes were filmed last year she was done in December 2014 and we already knew of this showcase in February , actually the existence of this showcase may have anticipated some other showcases she shot for other companies because they feared a concurrent issue with this. Also we already know that blacked has a 6 months exclusive clause with the stars especially those who do their first with them, we also know the stars COULD NOT TALK about their scenes. You wonder why sometimes they lie on twitter, interviews or shows about IR , what would you want them to say? They cannot talk about the scenes they shot, they cannot shoot any IR for months. What should they say? what could they say? It already happened with Dani Daniels and Keisha Grey , this latter said she shot IR , a couple scenes, but she was attacked on twitter and everywhere , Blacked didn't exist yet , still she couldn't talk, couldn't shoot, go figure. How many stars are in the very same situation? Harassed, pestered , criticized , called names but can't talk, can't shoot. Click to expand Some people/fans simply don't care. They simply like to judge and put down the girls who don't do what they've decided they should be doing when they think they should be doing it. The "why" is never good enough. They're just horribe people who aren't giving the fans what they want when they want it. They shouldn't have free will because they're doing a job. They're racist becase their business decisions don't jibe with what some fans want from them. Somes fans are haters because a girl won't do IR. Because they felt the girl waited too long. Because they didn't do the scene with a black enough guy. Because they didn't do enough IR. Now it's pay rates. Next it will be about IR anal and gangbangs that didn't happen soon enough. It will always be something. [Link]
Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:55PM misspornUSA wrote: Draxxx wrote: I think she was being honest and just really think she doesn't see things the way you do. Click to expand I think she was trying to offer a more palatable excuse than "I'm Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day." That doesn't mean that she's not uncomfortable with certain kinds of IR fetish scenes. She very well may be, but there's a distinction between not liking a fetish and not recognizing a fetish. Click to expand I agree with you on that point. As I've said before, I view the "I don't like the way IR is portrayed" excuse as a politically correct "go to" line for a girl who does not plan to do IR at that point and time when asked about it. I figure they determine that it's the lesser of two evils, better to have fans like yourself debate the legitimacy of the statement than state their true intentions, which would surely throw IR watchdogs like a kingdarius into a fit: "Oh, so you did [fill in the blank] but you won't do a black man on camera? SMH" (By the way, when exactly did Carter Cruise make that statement about the way IR is portrayed? How long ago was it?) [Link]

Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:59PM Iramaj1 wrote: Draxxx wrote: You just don't want to just come out and say it. Everything you're saying points to you having your own set of rules on how you think a girl should do career-wise when it comes to IR. Click to expand And that's what it all boils down to. They can hold out for a bigger payday but they better not do anything else (DP's, GB's) before they do IR. Click to expand Clearly a list and priorities going on. I personally think IR probably holds a higher ranking in porn right now than anal, DPs and gangbangs. Anal is pretty common these days and it's something some fans want to see but really not that big a deal overall. The more over the top extreme stuff may be a big deal but it doesn't get mainstream porn attention because it's not something the major mainstream porn studios do and not something most porn fans want to see. The IR stuff stands out more because it still has that element of taboo associated with it, big guys, another sizable market to crack, and showcases devoted to it. I can understand why a girl might choose IR as her last hold out. [Link]
Iramaj1 Senior Member 1397 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:00PM LCF wrote: ^ Issued in January, shot months before , let's say then within 12 months instead of first year Click to expand Speaking of her she stopped doing IR for 4 years after that. Misspornusa, How do you feel about recent chicks(Christie Stevens, Britney Amber) that did IR, stopped and then come back years later to do it? Or what about chicks like Mackenzee Pierce that only did IR for the money Is holding out for a payday any worse/different than only using black guys for monetary means? Edited by - iramaj1 on 6/6/2015 6:05:53 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:18PM ^ She didn't officially stop, but neither Bangbros nor Brazzers ever booked her for IR , she said she was suggested not to though, she didn't seem to listen , plus she stayed GG only for a couple years As for the second well they're performer some of them don't like anal at all yet do it, some don't like older guys yet perform with them, some of them are gay for money some others are straight for money. these aren't there to just have fun they're there for the money , their career is very short lasting but even one scene may affect them for life if someone finds out they are/were in porn , so why shouldn't they try to earn as much as they can, to grab all the money they can while they still can? Edited by - LCF on 6/6/2015 6:20:53 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:35PM murdock wrote: ^^ Well at least you can finally admit that you're being a huge hypocrite about the whole issue. And there is clearly demand for particular performers. That's why they can command extra. If there wasn't demand to see "So and so shoot her first IR" (see the dozens of threads on here with people utterly obsessed over who has and who hasn't for proof) then nobody would get paid extra. Click to expand I have said about 50 times on this thread that it is not a pornstar getting paid more in and of itself that I am against. That is only one symptom of a larger problem. Carter Cruise isn't being discussed here because she was paid more for first IR. She being discussed because she waited to shoot IR for a bigger pay day. I'd prefer that you didn't call me names. I have never encouraged a pornstar to wait to shoot IR for a bigger pay day, nor have I joined the industry and waited to shoot IR for a bigger pay day myself. I also don't share the obsession that some IR fans have for "first IR" and I discussed this with Draxxx. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/6/2015 6:44:53 PM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:37PM Iramaj1 wrote: Speaking of her she stopped doing IR for 4 years after that. Misspornusa, How do you feel about recent chicks(Christie Stevens, Britney Amber) that did IR, stopped and then come back years later to do it? Or what about chicks like Mackenzee Pierce that only did IR for the money Is holding out for a payday any worse/different than only using black guys for monetary means? Click to expand The question isn't directed at me but here's my "line in the sand" that got crossed. I was happy to hear Christy Stevens defend her doing IR early in her career on one video but annoyed that she lied to a director and say she didn't/never did IR in another video. Then she stopped doing IR until recently. Why the director of a non-IR movie even asked was strange enough but to hear her say she didn't do it after defending heself for it earlier didn't sit well with me. Mack stated she wasn't into black guys, so her only doing it for money actually fits. Plus, the fact that she didn't feel so strongly about it that she still did IR regardless is okay in my book. But I'm still curious to hear what others have to say about this because it's something that gets glossed over or never brought up. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:46PM Draxxx wrote: Before I asked you what strategy you wanted or thought was the best for a girl involving IR and you claimed you didn't have one. You later said you didn't have "rules" like another poster did. Clearly you do. You just don't want to just come out and say it. Everything you're saying points to you having your own set of rules on how you think a girl should do career-wise when it comes to IR. Click to expand Bobmarblee wrote that he doesn't watch pornstars who shoot IR last or waited two years or more to shoot IR. That is the post I was referring to and the rules I was talking about not having. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:50PM Mass Facialties wrote: (By the way, when exactly did Carter Cruise make that statement about the way IR is portrayed? How long ago was it?) Click to expand She wrote the blog entry a few months ago, but she also commented on the issue more than once prior to that. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:18PM LCF wrote: ^ She didn't officially stop, but neither Bangbros nor Brazzers ever booked her for IR , she said she was suggested not to though, she didn't seem to listen , plus she stayed GG only for a couple years Edited by - LCF on 6/6/2015 6:20:53 PM Click to expand What part did you read because she didn't say that so you are all wrong, btw don't you ever go on Twitter ask them yourself because that is the best answer from them, and not something you are making up. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:19PM Iramaj1 wrote: LCF wrote: ^ Issued in January, shot months before , let's say then within 12 months instead of first year Click to expand Speaking of her she stopped doing IR for 4 years after that. Misspornusa, How do you feel about recent chicks(Christie Stevens, Britney Amber) that did IR, stopped and then come back years later to do it? Or what about chicks like Mackenzee Pierce that only did IR for the money Is holding out for a payday any worse/different than only using black guys for monetary means? Edited by - iramaj1 on 6/6/2015 6:05:53 PM Click to expand Plenty of people are in porn itself only for the money, and if I excluded all of those who are I would probably be watching A LOT less porn. I'm not anymore offended by women who shoot IR only for the money than I am by women who shoot G/G only for the money. Judy Star was a lesbian and shot plenty of great scenes with men. That doesn't piss me off either. As for pornstars who shoot IR, give it up, then return to IR, I think that you may have mistaken me for an IR watchdog. I'm discussing Carter Cruise because of how her showcase relates to my OP, which is worth referring to again: Kevin Moore wrote: Now there is a new issue. Since about last year, more and more studios have focused on IR. There is now currently a financial incentive to wait and shoot IR for a bigger pay day or to negotiate a showcase feature based around the female performer. Click to expand I read Kevin's comment on February 17 and started this thread. If I though that pornstars flip flopping on IR was an important new trend, I would have started a thread about it. I didn't because I don't. If I haven't discussed pornstars who did what Moore describes but shot before the date of my OP, it's because I wasn't aware that this was a trend until I read Moore's comment on February 17 of this year. News about Carter's showcase leaked after the date of my OP, and now that showcase is coming out. So we're discussing her. Christie Stevens, Britney Amber, etc. aren't really relevant to the topic as far as I know (did one of them wait and shoot IR for a bigger day or negotiate for a showcase feature?), and the only thing I know about either of them in relation to IR is that Christie shot several good IR scenes. I can't even remember who Britney Amber is. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/6/2015 7:32:01 PM [Link]
Iramaj1 Senior Member 1397 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:42PM misspornUSA wrote: Plenty of people are in porn itself only for the money, and if I excluded all of those who are I would probably be watching A LOT less porn. I'm not anymore offended by women who shoot IR only for the money than I am by women who shoot G/G only for the money. Click to expand You keep wanting to throw that Kevin Moore quote out there but we've pretty much come to the conclusion that the ideal behind that quote and what your real issue is, is not one in the same. Why did I bring up the others? Because if you're not offended by women that only do IR for the money or have done it and pretended they never did then I don't think you should continue to pretend to be offended by those who hold out for the money Since you like to keep throwing out quotes here is one from the lady herself from back in February when people were going on and on about her not doing IR from the same month as your favorite Kevin Moore quote cartercruise wrote: WOW that got out of control. I actually addressed all these concerns on my blog the other day and you can read it here: http://cartercruise.tumblr.com/post/111807450943/whats-your-thoughts-on-the-racism-in-porn-does Please read that before making assumptions :) Also, be aware that scenes get shot and don't always get released right away. Some projects take a while... Just keep that in mind so you don't end up having to put your foot in your mouth later! Click to expand Edited by - iramaj1 on 6/6/2015 7:44:52 PM [Link]

Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:46PM Draxxx wrote: The question isn't directed at me but here's my "line in the sand" that got crossed. I was happy to hear Christy Stevens defend her doing IR early in her career on one video but annoyed that she lied to a director and say she didn't/never did IR in another video. Then she stopped doing IR until recently. Why the director of a non-IR movie even asked was strange enough but to hear her say she didn't do it after defending heself for it earlier didn't sit well with me. Mack stated she wasn't into black guys, so her only doing it for money actually fits. Plus, the fact that she didn't feel so strongly about it that she still did IR regardless is okay in my book. But I'm still curious to hear what others have to say about this because it's something that gets glossed over or never brought up. Click to expand It's the agents who do that because they feel that they can hold out for IR for more money, Phoenix Marie is one of them. Girls who stop doing IR is only hurt themselves in the long run as they can making money and doing more scenes plus losing some IR fans too. Christie Stevens, Britney Amber got a lot of hate from it there twitter and they call a her racist in all but now they are is back doing IR most IR fans have moved on to the next girl. So it's the agent are telling these girls not to do IR because they feel they can waited it out for a bigger paid which is BS, btw are these agents racist because they have some black male on there rosters, how do the black men who are with them feel on this. Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired. Edited by - Interracial4Life on 6/6/2015 8:01:02 PM [Link]
Solaar pleure Member Skepticism is the beginning of faith 50 Posts 5/15	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 9:23PM Not wanting to watch a specific girl does not mean one hates her. And yes, there is such a thing as waiting too long for everything. Can anybody say they have never waited for something for so long (and that of course is relative) that they actually had lost interest by the time it was available. When Jay-z was touring the country where I live a couple of years ago, I really wanted to see him in concert, but he went to every major city and skipped the one where I live. I was ready to spend a couple of hundred dollars to see him, I was disappointed but I did not hate him for making a decision that made business sense for him. If he were to come back to my city now, I will not go see him. Why? I lost interest. And porn is like everything in life, people can lose interest in girls, or wanting to see girls in specific scenes. It feels like some of you guys are saying that we should just enjoy everything that comes out because there is no valid reasons for not wanting a certain product. If you don’t want to watch it or if you try to explain why you are not interested, you are a hater. I do make a difference between just stating one’s preference in a constructive and polite way as opposed to making personal attacks. I think everybody has the right to do what they want. The girls have the right to set their own rules, they can choose to do IR after a certain period of time, they can choose to do it after they have done certain things in their career, or never do it, and it’s all good. But there is the other side of the coin though, I, as a paying consumer have the right to my own set of rules as well. It is my choice and my right to say that anybody that shoots dps or gangbangs before IR will not get my money. On the other hand, if you don’t do dps or gangbangs, you can wait as long as you want and if I find you attractive when you finally shoot IR, you will get my money. Now do I think that is irrational on my part? It probably is, so I will not even try to explain why I feel that way. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 10:40PM Iramaj1 wrote: You keep wanting to throw that Kevin Moore quote out there Click to expand Um, this thread is about the quote. Look at the title. We're not just discussing Carter Cruise for the hell of it. Iramaj1 wrote: but we've pretty much come to the conclusion that the ideal behind that quote and what your real issue is, is not one in the same. Click to expand I don't know what ideal you're talking about. As a heavy consumer of IR porn and as a believer in racial equality I think that black men should not be a segregated race within the industry and I believe that the new trend of Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day is an important contributing factor to their continued segregation. That is my real issue, and I'm not just now revealing it. I don't expect you to read every comment that I've written in the thread, but it would be helpful if you would at least quickly glance over them so I don't have to continue to repeat myself. Iramaj1 wrote: Why did I bring up the others? Because if you're not offended by women that only do IR for the money or have done it and pretended they never did then I don't think you should continue to pretend to be offended by those who hold out for the money Click to expand You continue to imagine that I am an IR watchdog. I am not "offended" by Carter Cruise or anyone else who holds out for the money. Either you are going to read my actual comments and respond to what I actually wrote or not. For some reason you've chosen to conjure up fantasies about my being angry at this or that pornstar or feeling offended by them. Iramaj1 wrote: Since you like to keep throwing out quotes Click to expand Since I like to keep referring to the topic of the thread? How dare I do such a thing! Iramaj1 wrote: here is one from the lady herself from back in February when people were going on and on about her not doing IR from the same month as your favorite Kevin Moore quote cartercruise wrote: WOW that got out of control. I actually addressed all these concerns on my blog the other day and you can read it here: http://cartercruise.tumblr.com/post/111807450943/whats-your-thoughts-on-the-racism-in-porn-does Please read that before making assumptions :) Also, be aware that scenes get shot and don't always get released right away. Some projects take a while... Just keep that in mind so you don't end up having to put your foot in your mouth later! Click to expand Click to expand Uh-huh. I read it months ago and now I'm reading it again for some reason. Since no one here has suggested that Carter only recently completed her showcase, I don't know what it is about that quote that you find so interesting. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/6/2015 10:45:51 PM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 11:08PM ^ Yet you still seem unwilling to accept your responsibility in the matter. You're happy enough to point the finger at the performers and criticize their decisions, but when it comes time for you to do exercise your only real power in the situation you admit to buying the content anyway. Are you being forced to buy the content that you find so objectionable from a racial segregation standpoint? Is there just a complete and utter lack of quality IR content outside of the topic of this thread that you just can't find a good scene now except the scenes being discussed here? No of course not. It's just another one of those topics that people want to get all "activisty" about but have absolutely no convictions behind it. Nobody is expecting you to boycott performers or directors or entire studios (although that would be a way to send a clear message) but you don't even seem willing to make a stand and stop buying the very content you're on here complaining about. The point I'm making is after 10 pages of back and forth you're obviously willing to argue about it ad nauseum but that seems to be the only thing you're willing to do. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 11:15PM ^What makes you think that I find the content objectionable? Carter's showcase looks like it will be just as good as anything else that Blacked has done. [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 11:34PM ^ Oh Boy! More nuance! Well, if you can tell me a meaningful way to separate the content from the production I'm all ears, but I think you're trying to make a meaningless distinction here. Call it whatever you want. You're still supporting a practice that you claim to disapprove of. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:20AM ^I'm not against the production either. There's nothing wrong with shooting an IR showcase. Putting off IR so you can make more money off of it is the practice that I am opposed to. If a pornstar does not have a problem with black men, she can choose to make herself available for IR from the beginning, or she can wait until later. I can't make that choice for her, and I as a consumer have never watched a new pornstar who hasn't shot IR yet and said to myself "Damn, I hope she waits a year or two before shooting IR." Neither IR consumers in general or I as an individual consumer are in anyway coercing pornstars to start their careers in b/g by refusing to shoot IR. Furthermore, many pornstars have proven that postponing IR is in no way necessary to having a successful career. If other pornstars look at that and decide to play the game anyway, that's on them. "The IR fans made me do it!!!" is utter nonsense, and in fact no pornstar has made such an outrageous claim. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/7/2015 12:21:38 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:28AM Maybe pornstars will visit this thread and get the idea for a new excuse for postponing IR: "I really want to shoot IR, but IR consumers won't let me yet." [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:41AM Now you're not reading what I'm writing. Nobody is suggesting that you're forcing stars to hold out and delay shooting IR. But as a consumer you do have some sway in stopping that practice. Make an impact with your wallet and don't buy those scenes. You've already done the hard part (scouring the internet to find out who the holdouts are) so don't buy those scenes. It's that simple. That's the only impact you're ever going to have. As empowered as it might make you feel to get up on your soapbox and tell everyone with internet access how you feel about it, that isn't likely to change anything. Again if you have some meaningful way to separate the practice from the content, I'm all ears, but from what I can see as long as you continue to fund the very practice that you're complaining about you're as much a part of the problem as the performers that you're complaining about. Don't get me wrong... I think it's stupid to spend as much time as some people seem to be spending just tracking down who has done what sex act on what timeline. My opinion is that's complete and utter waste of time (especially if you're not going to act upon it) and I'd much rather just look at the content that is being produced and buy what suits me. I don't need to know the shooting history of every performer in the scene, nor do I need to know their political leanings, business strategies, or who they made out with in the 7th grade. None of that really matters to me. I think it makes a lot more sense to just focus on the positives and watch porn that I like instead of worrying about all the porn I don't like. But since you've decided to focus on the negative, let's take that to it's logical end... How does this need for interracial sex translate to the real world? Have you engaged in interracial sex? Do you go to the trouble to find out if your partners have also engaged in interracial sex? Have you applied to the same amount of due diligence to the people you'be actually swapped bodily fluids with? Do you know how long they've held out before taking the interracial plunge? I have to admit. I'm fascinated by what the "So you want to have sex with misspornUSA" pre-screening questionnaire must look like. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:54AM ^The only thing that I'll say about my personal life is that I was married to a black man and yes, I've had and do have lots of interracial sex. That's as much as I'll say on that since it has nothing to do with the subject. I haven't brought up the private lives of any pornstars, nor do I intend to. Their private lives aren't relevant here and neither is mine. [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:57AM I did not start this thread to "focus on the negative." Actually, anyone can look at the thread's first page and see that my opinion of Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day started out as fairly mixed. It's only become more negative over time. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/7/2015 12:58:31 AM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 1:04AM And I don't care about your private life either. I simply brought it up to show how ridiculous your "porn morals" are when you extend them to real life. If you're holding the people you jerk off to, to a higher standard than your real life sexual partners, then I would suggest that you have your priorities severely out of whack. But if we were on a political forum, what you're doing is the equivalent of "I've voted for Senator Blowhard in the last 12 elections and he keeps screwing up!" Either stop voting for him, or stop complaining about what he's doing. Same goes for your porn preferences. Stop complaining, or stop giving them your money to do exactly what you're complaining about, but you can't do both. (without looking like a raging hypocrite) In business you vote with your dollars and as long as you continue to buy "first IR holdout" content, you're voting for it, not matter how much you rant against it on the internet. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 1:25AM ^Are you arguing that real world morals shouldn't hold sway in porn or vice versa? Your analogy assumes that I am an IR watchdog, aggressively monitoring and investigating the IR policy of all pornstars, which is not true at all. I see that you are again arguing that I am paying pornstars to wait to shoot IR. murdock wrote: Stop complaining, or stop giving them your money to do exactly what you're complaining about Click to expand "I really want to shoot IR, but IR consumers won't let me yet." Laughable. This is the second thread in which I find myself having to tell you that I'm not ranting. Your insolence is distasteful. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/7/2015 1:26:24 AM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 2:10AM misspornUSA wrote: ^Are you arguing that real world morals shouldn't hold sway in porn or vice versa? Click to expand I said that your porn morals shouldn't be stricter than your real world morals. To expand, I think it's pretty fucked up to hold strangers that you'll almost certainly never even meet in real life let alone be engaged in any sexual contact with to a stricter moral code than you do the people who you actually interact with in your real life. I think my example of applying your porn morals to real life sexual partners demonstrated the absurdity of that. Your analogy assumes that I am an IR watchdog, aggressively monitoring and investigating the IR policy of all pornstars, which is not true at all. Click to expand It assumes no such thing. It assumes that you are aware of who is or isn't shooting IR (Which you clearly are) and that you've put some amount of effort into finding that out (which you clearly have) I see that you are again arguing that I am paying pornstars to wait to shoot IR. Click to expand Well that actually seems to be the first time that you've come close to getting it right. (Every other time you've thrown up a strawman suggesting that I'm saying you're forcing them to do so) And you've already admitted that you've purchased scenes where pornstars have waited to shoot IR. So yes, you are in fact paying pornstars to wait to shoot IR. Are you now saying that you aren't paying them, or that they aren't waiting to shoot IR? "I really want to shoot IR, but IR consumers won't let me yet." Laughable. Click to expand What's laughable are your terrible leaps of logic. No one is saying that IR consumers are forcing them to hold out on IR. (No matter how many times you repeat it) There is a difference between making it possible (by funding it) and forcing them to do it. But by all means, don't let my insolence slow you down any. You just keep funding the very practice that you are complaining about, and let me know how well that works out for you. I'm sure when Carter is cashing her check for the showcase that you'll undoubtedly purchase your objections to her delay will be weighing heavy on her conscience. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 7:42AM MOD: If this is going to be a two person fight, the thread will get locked. Go back to discussing the topic without attacking anyone. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 9:17AM Interracial4Life wrote: LCF wrote: ^ She didn't officially stop, but neither Bangbros nor Brazzers ever booked her for IR , she said she was suggested not to though, she didn't seem to listen , plus she stayed GG only for a couple years Edited by - LCF on 6/6/2015 6:20:53 PM Click to expand What part did you read because she didn't say that so you are all wrong, btw don't you ever go on Twitter ask them yourself because that is the best answer from them, and not something you are making up. Click to expand Let me get this straight are you really asking me to provide sources without providing any to support your statements? And what is that you asked her on twitter ? what did she answer exactly? Did she say she refused to do any IR after her scene with Tyler Knight? Did she say non agent ever told her to not do any IR? Did she deny she stayed GG only for two years? Because what you said there is basically nothing , you just implied you know because you asked her without even bothering to say what is that you know. Also many things are said in the BTS on DVDs, I don't rely just on the internet I buy DVDs , a lot of them . [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 9:55AM Interracial4Life wrote: [ Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired. Click to expand Since you mentioned me out of the blue with no apparent reason I have to reply You say Bree wasn't into black men, you already said that , some asked you for more informations but you failed to provide any source or evidence of this nobody else ever heard of . Also "wasn't into black men" may mean a lot of things either she never fucked one before getting into porn, she doesn't have a particular preference for them , she prefer whites or even that she didn't like them. As for the rest did ask her on twitter? What exactly did you you ask? What she answered because here is her profile on IAFD by ordering her movies in ascending years you will find out that her first four entries were all IR which is most unusual as a debut for someone who is not into black men. I don't remember exactly when she signed with Adam and Eve and how long her contract lasted .on IAFD her first reported movie with them is in 2007 , Lex the Impaler 6 was issued in 2011 In between there are 12 IR movies , three of which with Adam and Eve themselves but one is a reprinted scene as an extra [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:08AM It's the agents who do that because they feel that they can hold out for IR for more money, Phoenix Marie is one of them. Girls who stop doing IR is only hurt themselves in the long run as they can making money and doing more scenes plus losing some IR fans too. Christie Stevens, Britney Amber got a lot of hate from it there twitter and they call a her racist in all but now they are is back doing IR most IR fans have moved on to the next girl. So it's the agent are telling these girls not to do IR because they feel they can waited it out for a bigger paid which is BS, btw are these agents racist because they have some black male on there rosters, how do the black men who are with them feel on this. Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired. Click to expand I guess that was one of those times were someone was actually being "racist". Because Christy was auditioning for a role in a VIVID feature and the director was asking her different questions and one of the questions "Do you do IR?" and Christy said "No". I thought it was a strange question to ask...unless he wanted her to actually do an IR scene. Still strange because VIVID does IR scenes. But maybe that particular director doesn't want to shoot them. I don't know. It just seemed like a strange question out of left field to ask. I think there is/was a mindeset with at least some people in porn that girls not shooting IR or stop shooting IR is helpful in getting you more highend gigs. I've seen a few girls who did lots of IR in the beginning of their career and then suddenly stop or cut way back on it. Some girls get a make-over and try and re-invent themselves and part of the make-over is to cut back on the IR. I'm not sure if it works or not. But when these girls do eventually come back to I wonder if fans generally think it's a big deal. I didn't even realize Bitney Amber shot IR before. I'm kinda sorta a Britney fan so depending on what studio/director it's for if it looks good I may check it out if the reast of the cast makes it worth a purchase. With Christy at this point I'm indifferent about her. I I may end up seing it but I won't go out of my way to. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:18AM LCF wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: [ Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired. Click to expand Since you mentioned me out of the blue with no apparent reason I have to reply You say Bree wasn't into black men, you already said that , some asked you for more informations but you failed to provide any source or evidence of this nobody else ever heard of . Also "wasn't into black men" may mean a lot of things either she never fucked one before getting into porn, she doesn't have a particular preference for them , she prefer whites or even that she didn't like them. As for the rest did ask her on twitter? What exactly did you you ask? What she answered because here is her profile on IAFD by ordering her movies in ascending years you will find out that her first four entries were all IR which is most unusual as a debut for someone who is not into black men. I don't remember exactly when she signed with Adam and Eve and how long her contract lasted .on IAFD her first reported movie with them is in 2007 , Lex the Impaler 6 was issued in 2011 In between there are 12 IR movies , three of which with Adam and Eve themselves but one is a reprinted scene as an extra Click to expand Yeah, I'm confused also. If she "wasn't into black men" in the sense that she really didn't like or want to shoot with them she could've very very easily not shot any IR while she was with ADAM & EVE. And certainly if she wasn't into them in that way she most certainly didn't have to do IR for her site. [Link]
fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:26AM Sasha Grey is the biggest pornstar in recent momory she came in doing IR. Bree Olsen is another top star who did as much Ir and white. Alexis Texas did Black men but not on camera. Basically this is a non issue IR always sold and was considered business as usual until recently. IR is so normal the census bureau started a racial category for mixed races or biracial. The porn industry is behind the times when it comes to race and eventually it is going to become a mainstream issue..it is just too offensive to most people. [Link]

Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:28AM LCF wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: LCF wrote: ^ She didn't officially stop, but neither Bangbros nor Brazzers ever booked her for IR , she said she was suggested not to though, she didn't seem to listen , plus she stayed GG only for a couple years Edited by - LCF on 6/6/2015 6:20:53 PM Click to expand What part did you read because she didn't say that so you are all wrong, btw don't you ever go on Twitter ask them yourself because that is the best answer from them, and not something you are making up. Click to expand Let me get this straight are you really asking me to provide sources without providing any to support your statements? And what is that you asked her on twitter ? what did she answer exactly? Did she say she refused to do any IR after her scene with Tyler Knight? Did she say non agent ever told her to not do any IR? Did she deny she stayed GG only for two years? Because what you said there is basically nothing , you just implied you know because you asked her without even bothering to say what is that you know. Also many things are said in the BTS on DVDs, I don't rely just on the internet I buy DVDs , a lot of them . Click to expand Sorry but I don't believe in your statement, btw you aren't going to find that stuff on a DVD, have you hear of AVN, YouTube or MSN. Used those because they are better to find then just some DVD. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:48AM LCF wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired. Click to expand Since you mentioned me out of the blue with no apparent reason I have to reply You say Bree wasn't into black men, you already said that , some asked you for more informations but you failed to provide any source or evidence of this nobody else ever heard of . Also "wasn't into black men" may mean a lot of things either she never fucked one before getting into porn, she doesn't have a particular preference for them , she prefer whites or even that she didn't like them. Click to expand Draxxx wrote: Yeah, I'm confused also. If she "wasn't into black men" in the sense that she really didn't like or want to shoot with them she could've very very easily not shot any IR while she was with ADAM & EVE. And certainly if she wasn't into them in that way she most certainly didn't have to do IR for her site. Click to expand I also would like a source for Bree's alleged statement on not being attracted to black men. officialbreeolson wrote: The reason for doing interracial is because I like it. I love black cock and I even love black girls. I even have two ex girlfriends that are black. If you look on my MySpace page at my parties there are pictures of me and all my black friends. My own website www.breeolson.com I can shoot whatever I want for that website... and I still choose to shoot interracial. Click to expand [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:51AM Solaar pleure wrote: It feels like some of you guys are saying that we should just enjoy everything that comes out because there is no valid reasons for not wanting a certain product. If you don’t want to watch it or if you try to explain why you are not interested, you are a hater. I do make a difference between just stating one’s preference in a constructive and polite way as opposed to making personal attacks. Click to expand My take on this is most certainly you have the right to not like something and not buy/watch it if you don't want to. The only time I respond is when the people who don't like something come up with irrational rationalizations for their opinions or if I think there's a logical explaintion from the other side of why things are the way they are. If someone is convinced that the porn industry is filled with evil racists trying to keep black men down or that they don't want fans to have IR, then I will challange that. If a person doesn't get an IR scene from a girl in what they consider a fair amount of time and brand her a racist, I will offer up reasons and examples of why that may not be the case. I do this hoping people will look at things in a different light or consider the other side of things. Lots of time while I'm doing this I know full well that the person I'm responding directly to will never change their mind but I hope it will cause others who might be reading to step back and perhaps reconsider things. I think everybody has the right to do what they want. The girls have the right to set their own rules, they can choose to do IR after a certain period of time, they can choose to do it after they have done certain things in their career, or never do it, and it’s all good. But there is the other side of the coin though, I, as a paying consumer have the right to my own set of rules as well. It is my choice and my right to say that anybody that shoots dps or gangbangs before IR will not get my money. On the other hand, if you don’t do dps or gangbangs, you can wait as long as you want and if I find you attractive when you finally shoot IR, you will get my money. Now do I think that is irrational on my part? It probably is, so I will not even try to explain why I feel that way. Click to expand That's perfectly fine. Again, you're free to like or want whatever. And you (people in general) don'thave to explain it. But if you do just be aware that if someone disagrees they might call you on it. Also be aware that you're one person with an opinion. Too many people are convinced that what they like, everyone likes and they speak for the masses. So just because a poster believes Boob jobs, butt implants, girls not doing anal, girls waiting for a bigger pay day, etc., etc., is going to somehow destroy the porn industry because that's what they're convinced of...doesn't actually make it true. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:12AM ^^^ Draxxx, not every girls who does black men on camera doesn't mean they date them off camera. Jacky Joy said during a interview she doesn't date black men off camera but just doing it for money. Some IR fans weren't too happy about it but who care as long they do IR on film that matter, and we shouldn't get into there personal life's because they aren't our girlfriends, or wife's. fredgee wrote: Sasha Grey is the biggest pornstar in recent momory she came in doing IR. Bree Olsen is another top star who did as much Ir and white. Alexis Texas did Black men but not on camera. Basically this is a non issue IR always sold and was considered business as usual until recently. IR is so normal the census bureau started a racial category for mixed races or biracial. The porn industry is behind the times when it comes to race and eventually it is going to become a mainstream issue..it is just too offensive to most people. Click to expand Mainstream Hollywood is getting more into Interracial relationship now these days. The Kardashian both Kim, Khole, Kris, and one of the youngest sister had dated black men for year. Some black NFL and NBA players are marry to white woman. Will Smith movie Focus had a IR romance scenes with Margot Robbie. Luke Cages in the comic books is marry to Jessica Jones who have a biracial daughter, there going to be a Jessica Jones TV show on Netflix this year, and Luke Cages on next year. We are seeing it in Hollywood and in the media, as for the porn industry it's still stuck in the 1950-1960 which is sad. Edited by - Interracial4Life on 6/7/2015 11:14:25 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:13AM murdock wrote: But by all means, don't let my insolence slow you down any. You just keep funding the very practice that you are complaining about, and let me know how well that works out for you. I'm sure when Carter is cashing her check for the showcase that you'll undoubtedly purchase your objections to her delay will be weighing heavy on her conscience. Click to expand Feeding you further will result in this thread getting locked, so I'll reply to just this and then be done with you. I won't purchase Carter's showcase. I am a Blacked member, and will watch the scenes as they are released monthly just as I would with any other new scenes on Blacked. If I wasn't a Blacked member I wouldn't see the showcase because I wouldn't buy the dvd. Again, I don't have first IR fever like many other IR fans do. I was a Blacked member for months before I watched any of Dani's showcase scenes. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:46AM fredgee wrote: Sasha Grey is the biggest pornstar in recent momory she came in doing IR. Bree Olsen is another top star who did as much Ir and white. Alexis Texas did Black men but not on camera. Basically this is a non issue IR always sold and was considered business as usual until recently. IR is so normal the census bureau started a racial category for mixed races or biracial. The porn industry is behind the times when it comes to race and eventually it is going to become a mainstream issue..it is just too offensive to most people. Click to expand You just can't compare the porn business to the real world. Porn sells fantasy and fetish. Maybe decades from now IR won't be considered a fetish/niche but right now it is. Some people want to specifically see it. Some people like that it's a specific genre. There will always be things in porn that some people find offensive. That's the nature of fetishes. As far as pornstars who do IR right off the bat verses those who don't...I wish all girls who enter biz would do it and it not be the big deal it is. But the reality of it is some girls who enter porn don't want to do it, might not have it on their list of priortites, might be indifferent about it, or can't wait to do as many black guys as they can. Some angencies might tell girls to hold off. Some angencies might tell a girl to be picky about the IR they do. Some agencies may tell a girl she needs to do as much as she can. I've said it before: all girls aren't equal and they can't follow the same game plan or they might not want to follow the traditional game plan. There are girls who enter porn and are an instant hit and everyone sees it after a scene or two. There are girls who are totally ignored and they have to do over the top extreme stuff just to get noticed. Tera Patrick walks to to porn and she's scooped up and guided toward a particular path. She has has a lot more clout because she's got star power. Some people think she's so goodlooking that she'd most benefit being in the feature side of porn where goodlooking girls sell moreso that sex-acts. That audience is made up of couples and people who don't like the had stuff. IR isn't big on that side of the fence as it is on the Gonzo side. IR isn't a priorety. In fact they mostly plan to stay away from it. Even if a girl like Tera wanted to do IR they tell her no. Tera doesn't see any reason to push the issue and all is going well overwise so she just goes with it. I'm not saying that specifically happened to Tera but I just used her as an example. Lucious Lopez walks into porn and the strategy for her career is completely different. LL is nice looking and proves to be a great performer but she'll totally fail if they try and follow the Tera gameplan with her. She has different strengths and appeal so it's best to sell her as a Gonzo babe who's up for the harder stuff. She's got the hot bubble butt thing going so black guys will go crazy over that so she needs to do IR ASAP. She'll probably not get star billing but she's a good performer and workhorse so she'll find plenty of work as one of the additional cast members in movies. She'll have to do more movies though because she won't make the type of money Tera makes. I just used Tera and Lucious as examples of both ends of the spectrum. A lot of girls fall somewhere in the middle. Some girls career are successful because of IR and others can do just fine without it. Some girls just fall into a place where IR isn't high on their to do list. They're comfortable where they are and they're doing just fine career and money-wise. Some girls don't have the type of career that's very sustainable without IR. Another thing to consider is what the girl actually wants from Porn. Some girls want to be a big pornstar and make most of their income from shooting scenes. Other girls don't work as much because the porn is done just to make their feature dancing or escorting more profitable. For some girls they aren't really losing money by not doing IR because they make the bulk of their money elsewhere. Poor Alexis Texas. She doesn't want to do IR but it's her big bubble butt has that target on it. If Alexis had a body like Jenna Haze the demand for her to do IR wouldn't be anywhere ear as much. But people associate big butts with black guys and are upset that she won't do IR on the porn screen. It's not because they think Alexis is a great peformer or will do a scene that blows anyone away....it's that butt. It's also funny that the fact that she refused to do it makes some fans want it all the more. I'm sure she's been offered a big pay day but has repeatedly turned her down. Some of you should respect that if you're really against girls holding out just for more money. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:52AM Interracial4Life wrote: ^^^ Draxxx, not every girls who does black men on camera doesn't mean they date them off camera. Jacky Joy said during a interview she doesn't date black men off camera but just doing it for money. Some IR fans weren't too happy about it but who care as long they do IR on film that matter, and we shouldn't get into there personal life's because they aren't our girlfriends, or wife's. Click to expand I understand that and it's fine by me. I just didn't quite understand what you meant when you said Bree "wasn't into black guys" because that could be taken a number of different ways. I thought you meant she wasn't really into shooting with them. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:01PM Interracial4Life wrote: Mainstream Hollywood is getting more into Interracial relationship now these days. The Kardashian both Kim, Khole, Kris, and one of the youngest sister had dated black men for year. Some black NFL and NBA players are marry to white woman. Will Smith movie Focus had a IR romance scenes with Margot Robbie. Luke Cages in the comic books is marry to Jessica Jones who have a biracial daughter, there going to be a Jessica Jones TV show on Netflix this year, and Luke Cages on next year. We are seeing it in Hollywood and in the media, as for the porn industry it's still stuck in the 1950-1960 which is sad. Click to expand LOL. Actually Porn is waaaaaay ahead of Hollywood when it comes to black men starring in movies and interracial coupling. Porn easily produces more product where black men are the stars and IR couples are shown in a year than Hollywood has in decades. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:05PM Draxxx wrote: You just can't compare the porn business to the real world. Click to expand I'm sure you don't believe that porn should be some sort of a morality-free zone where anything goes, so why is segregation okay in the porn industry and not in other businesses? Black men should have the same opportunities as all other men in porn. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:07PM Draxxx wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: Mainstream Hollywood is getting more into Interracial relationship now these days. The Kardashian both Kim, Khole, Kris, and one of the youngest sister had dated black men for year. Some black NFL and NBA players are marry to white woman. Will Smith movie Focus had a IR romance scenes with Margot Robbie. Luke Cages in the comic books is marry to Jessica Jones who have a biracial daughter, there going to be a Jessica Jones TV show on Netflix this year, and Luke Cages on next year. We are seeing it in Hollywood and in the media, as for the porn industry it's still stuck in the 1950-1960 which is sad. Click to expand LOL. Actually Porn is waaaaaay ahead of Hollywood when it comes to black men starring in movies and interracial coupling. Porn easily produces more product where black men are the stars and IR couples are shown in a year than Hollywood has in decades. Click to expand I have to agree. When watching Focus I was shocked that the movie was even made. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:24PM Before I leave seriously Draxxx you sound like you want to put IR fans and black men in porn down. I know Alexis Texas some black fans because of her butt but there money isn't going enough to do scene with them on film. Not all black men aren't into Alexis Texas, how many black fans does Tera Patrick, Jenna Jameson have, zero. Go check out by Lexington Steele interview because he said that most girls who don't do IR are hurting themselves ,ad the money they can make. BTW Lexington Steele (not you Draxxx) is in the industry, and he know what he is taking about because you and LFC are no industry insider just fans who watch porn. She can make as much more money as she can by doing IR because you can get more work. Remember pornstars aren't rich like Hollywood stars or sports athletes who lived in million dollar mansions, or driving sport car in all. Those girls who don't do IR aren't not getting much of a bigger black fan base, and for black men they aren't make as much money like on doing scenes. [Link]
Washington Member 126 Posts 4/14	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:26PM So many words, so little content. Earlier on this thread I expressed doubt that Carter Cruise had or would ever do IR, I was advised by Miss Porn that she was going to get into it in a big way with a feature on the Blacked web site. I have finally seen the preview and it looks great. I don't care if Carter ever does it again, at least I can enjoy all her work knowing that she realizes, "it won't wear off". I couldn't care less if a porn starlet is "in to Black Guys" or can't stand them; either way, it does not make them racist, as long as they are willing to work with them at least once. But, if a starlet does anything and everything on camera BUT never with a black guy, well that is clearly what it is. What gets me is the tortuous logic on this thread to gloss over the obvious. Anyone is free to believe a well known seasoned star with hundreds of credits like Alexis Texas screws black guys in her private life but not on camera (for money). I own have some prime real estate in Florida I'll let go cheap. [Link]
chessmaster Member 768 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 2:27PM The day Alexis Texas fucks a black guy on camera will be the day hell freezes over. There's waiting for a bigger payday and then waiting until there's no other options. I think Alexis is waiting for the latter. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 6:06PM chessmaster wrote: The day Alexis Texas fucks a black guy on camera will be the day hell freezes over. There's waiting for a bigger payday and then waiting until there's no other options. I think Alexis is waiting for the latter. Click to expand That will be in 2025 when no one cares anymore, I bet you that the Detroit Lions will win the Super Bowl before Alexis Texas does her 1st IR scene. [Link]
fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 6:17PM Alexis Texas did a IR scene for Justin Slayer in 2009... [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 7:44PM fredgee wrote: Alexis Texas did a IR scene for Justin Slayer in 2009... Click to expand No shit [Link]

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Iramaj1
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:27PM

And that's what it all boils down to. They can hold out for a bigger payday but they better not do anything else (DP's, GB's) before they do IR.

Started in '08 and shot that in 2010

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LCF

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:35PM

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Issued in January, shot months before , let's say then within 12 months instead of first year

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Draxxx
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:45PM

LCF wrote:
Capri Cavanni actually did her first IR scene in her first year with Tyler Knight
Carter Cruise scenes were filmed last year she was done in December 2014 and we already knew of this showcase in February , actually the existence of this showcase may have anticipated some other showcases she shot for other companies because they feared a concurrent issue with this.
Also we already know that blacked has a 6 months exclusive clause with the stars especially those who do their first with them, we also know the stars COULD NOT TALK about their scenes.
You wonder why sometimes they lie on twitter, interviews or shows about IR , what would you want them to say?
They cannot talk about the scenes they shot, they cannot shoot any IR for months.
What should they say? what could they say?
It already happened with Dani Daniels and Keisha Grey , this latter said she shot IR , a couple scenes, but she was attacked on twitter and everywhere , Blacked didn't exist yet , still she couldn't talk, couldn't shoot, go figure.
How many stars are in the very same situation?
Harassed, pestered , criticized , called names but can't talk, can't shoot.
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Some people/fans simply don't care. They simply like to judge and put down the girls who don't do what they've decided they should be doing when they think they should be doing it. The "why" is never good enough. They're just horribe people who aren't giving the fans what they want when they want it. They shouldn't have free will because they're doing a job. They're racist becase their business decisions don't jibe with what some fans want from them. Somes fans are haters because a girl won't do IR. Because they felt the girl waited too long. Because they didn't do the scene with a black enough guy. Because they didn't do enough IR. Now it's pay rates. Next it will be about IR anal and gangbangs that didn't happen soon enough. It will always be something.

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Mass Facialties
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:55PM

I agree with you on that point. As I've said before, I view the "I don't like the way IR is portrayed" excuse as a politically correct "go to" line for a girl who does not plan to do IR at that point and time when asked about it. I figure they determine that it's the lesser of two evils, better to have fans like yourself debate the legitimacy of the statement than state their true intentions, which would surely throw IR watchdogs like a kingdarius into a fit: "Oh, so you did [fill in the blank] but you won't do a black man on camera? SMH"
(By the way, when exactly did Carter Cruise make that statement about the way IR is portrayed? How long ago was it?)

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Draxxx
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 5:59PM

Clearly a list and priorities going on.
I personally think IR probably holds a higher ranking in porn right now than anal, DPs and gangbangs. Anal is pretty common these days and it's something some fans want to see but really not that big a deal overall. The more over the top extreme stuff may be a big deal but it doesn't get mainstream porn attention because it's not something the major mainstream porn studios do and not something most porn fans want to see. The IR stuff stands out more because it still has that element of taboo associated with it, big guys, another sizable market to crack, and showcases devoted to it. I can understand why a girl might choose IR as her last hold out.

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Iramaj1
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:00PM

Speaking of her she stopped doing IR for 4 years after that. Misspornusa, How do you feel about recent chicks(Christie Stevens, Britney Amber) that did IR, stopped and then come back years later to do it? Or what about chicks like Mackenzee Pierce that only did IR for the money
Is holding out for a payday any worse/different than only using black guys for monetary means?

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LCF

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:18PM

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She didn't officially stop, but neither Bangbros nor Brazzers ever booked her for IR , she said she was suggested not to though, she didn't seem to listen , plus she stayed GG only for a couple years
As for the second well they're performer some of them don't like anal at all yet do it, some don't like older guys yet perform with them, some of them are gay for money some others are straight for money.
these aren't there to just have fun they're there for the money , their career is very short lasting but even one scene may affect them for life if someone finds out they are/were in porn , so why shouldn't they try to earn as much as they can, to grab all the money they can while they still can?

Edited by - LCF on 6/6/2015 6:20:53 PM

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:35PM

I have said about 50 times on this thread that it is not a pornstar getting paid more in and of itself that I am against. That is only one symptom of a larger problem.
Carter Cruise isn't being discussed here because she was paid more for first IR. She being discussed because she waited to shoot IR for a bigger pay day.
I'd prefer that you didn't call me names. I have never encouraged a pornstar to wait to shoot IR for a bigger pay day, nor have I joined the industry and waited to shoot IR for a bigger pay day myself. I also don't share the obsession that some IR fans have for "first IR" and I discussed this with Draxxx.
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:37PM

The question isn't directed at me but here's my "line in the sand" that got crossed. I was happy to hear Christy Stevens defend her doing IR early in her career on one video but annoyed that she lied to a director and say she didn't/never did IR in another video. Then she stopped doing IR until recently. Why the director of a non-IR movie even asked was strange enough but to hear her say she didn't do it after defending heself for it earlier didn't sit well with me.
Mack stated she wasn't into black guys, so her only doing it for money actually fits. Plus, the fact that she didn't feel so strongly about it that she still did IR regardless is okay in my book.
But I'm still curious to hear what others have to say about this because it's something that gets glossed over or never brought up.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:46PM

Bobmarblee wrote that he doesn't watch pornstars who shoot IR last or waited two years or more to shoot IR. That is the post I was referring to and the rules I was talking about not having.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 6:50PM

She wrote the blog entry a few months ago, but she also commented on the issue more than once prior to that.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:18PM

What part did you read because she didn't say that so you are all wrong, btw don't you ever go on Twitter ask them yourself because that is the best answer from them, and not something you are making up.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:19PM

Plenty of people are in porn itself only for the money, and if I excluded all of those who are I would probably be watching A LOT less porn.
I'm not anymore offended by women who shoot IR only for the money than I am by women who shoot G/G only for the money. Judy Star was a lesbian and shot plenty of great scenes with men. That doesn't piss me off either.
As for pornstars who shoot IR, give it up, then return to IR, I think that you may have mistaken me for an IR watchdog. I'm discussing Carter Cruise because of how her showcase relates to my OP, which is worth referring to again:

I read Kevin's comment on February 17 and started this thread. If I though that pornstars flip flopping on IR was an important new trend, I would have started a thread about it. I didn't because I don't. If I haven't discussed pornstars who did what Moore describes but shot before the date of my OP, it's because I wasn't aware that this was a trend until I read Moore's comment on February 17 of this year. News about Carter's showcase leaked after the date of my OP, and now that showcase is coming out. So we're discussing her. Christie Stevens, Britney Amber, etc. aren't really relevant to the topic as far as I know (did one of them wait and shoot IR for a bigger day or negotiate for a showcase feature?), and the only thing I know about either of them in relation to IR is that Christie shot several good IR scenes. I can't even remember who Britney Amber is.
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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:42PM

You keep wanting to throw that Kevin Moore quote out there but we've pretty much come to the conclusion that the ideal behind that quote and what your real issue is, is not one in the same.
Why did I bring up the others? Because if you're not offended by women that only do IR for the money or have done it and pretended they never did then I don't think you should continue to pretend to be offended by those who hold out for the money
Since you like to keep throwing out quotes here is one from the lady herself from back in February when people were going on and on about her not doing IR from the same month as your favorite Kevin Moore quote

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 7:46PM

Draxxx wrote:
The question isn't directed at me but here's my "line in the sand" that got crossed. I was happy to hear Christy Stevens defend her doing IR early in her career on one video but annoyed that she lied to a director and say she didn't/never did IR in another video. Then she stopped doing IR until recently. Why the director of a non-IR movie even asked was strange enough but to hear her say she didn't do it after defending heself for it earlier didn't sit well with me.
Mack stated she wasn't into black guys, so her only doing it for money actually fits. Plus, the fact that she didn't feel so strongly about it that she still did IR regardless is okay in my book.
But I'm still curious to hear what others have to say about this because it's something that gets glossed over or never brought up.
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It's the agents who do that because they feel that they can hold out for IR for more money, Phoenix Marie is one of them. Girls who stop doing IR is only hurt themselves in the long run as they can making money and doing more scenes plus losing some IR fans too. Christie Stevens, Britney Amber got a lot of hate from it there twitter and they call a her racist in all but now they are is back doing IR most IR fans have moved on to the next girl. So it's the agent are telling these girls not to do IR because they feel they can waited it out for a bigger paid which is BS, btw are these agents racist because they have some black male on there rosters, how do the black men who are with them feel on this.
Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 9:23PM

Not wanting to watch a specific girl does not mean one hates her. And yes, there is such a thing as waiting too long for everything. Can anybody say they have never waited for something for so long (and that of course is relative) that they actually had lost interest by the time it was available.
When Jay-z was touring the country where I live a couple of years ago, I really wanted to see him in concert, but he went to every major city and skipped the one where I live. I was ready to spend a couple of hundred dollars to see him, I was disappointed but I did not hate him for making a decision that made business sense for him. If he were to come back to my city now, I will not go see him. Why? I lost interest. And porn is like everything in life, people can lose interest in girls, or wanting to see girls in specific scenes.
It feels like some of you guys are saying that we should just enjoy everything that comes out because there is no valid reasons for not wanting a certain product. If you don’t want to watch it or if you try to explain why you are not interested, you are a hater. I do make a difference between just stating one’s preference in a constructive and polite way as opposed to making personal attacks.
I think everybody has the right to do what they want. The girls have the right to set their own rules, they can choose to do IR after a certain period of time, they can choose to do it after they have done certain things in their career, or never do it, and it’s all good. But there is the other side of the coin though, I, as a paying consumer have the right to my own set of rules as well. It is my choice and my right to say that anybody that shoots dps or gangbangs before IR will not get my money. On the other hand, if you don’t do dps or gangbangs, you can wait as long as you want and if I find you attractive when you finally shoot IR, you will get my money. Now do I think that is irrational on my part? It probably is, so I will not even try to explain why I feel that way.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 10:40PM

Um, this thread is about the quote. Look at the title. We're not just discussing Carter Cruise for the hell of it.

I don't know what ideal you're talking about. As a heavy consumer of IR porn and as a believer in racial equality I think that black men should not be a segregated race within the industry and I believe that the new trend of Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day is an important contributing factor to their continued segregation. That is my real issue, and I'm not just now revealing it. I don't expect you to read every comment that I've written in the thread, but it would be helpful if you would at least quickly glance over them so I don't have to continue to repeat myself.

You continue to imagine that I am an IR watchdog. I am not "offended" by Carter Cruise or anyone else who holds out for the money. Either you are going to read my actual comments and respond to what I actually wrote or not. For some reason you've chosen to conjure up fantasies about my being angry at this or that pornstar or feeling offended by them.

Since I like to keep referring to the topic of the thread? How dare I do such a thing!

Uh-huh. I read it months ago and now I'm reading it again for some reason. Since no one here has suggested that Carter only recently completed her showcase, I don't know what it is about that quote that you find so interesting.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 11:08PM

^ Yet you still seem unwilling to accept your responsibility in the matter. You're happy enough to point the finger at the performers and criticize their decisions, but when it comes time for you to do exercise your only real power in the situation you admit to buying the content anyway. Are you being forced to buy the content that you find so objectionable from a racial segregation standpoint? Is there just a complete and utter lack of quality IR content outside of the topic of this thread that you just can't find a good scene now except the scenes being discussed here? No of course not. It's just another one of those topics that people want to get all "activisty" about but have absolutely no convictions behind it.
Nobody is expecting you to boycott performers or directors or entire studios (although that would be a way to send a clear message) but you don't even seem willing to make a stand and stop buying the very content you're on here complaining about. The point I'm making is after 10 pages of back and forth you're obviously willing to argue about it ad nauseum but that seems to be the only thing you're willing to do.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 11:15PM

^What makes you think that I find the content objectionable? Carter's showcase looks like it will be just as good as anything else that Blacked has done.

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Posted - Jun 6 2015 : 11:34PM

^ Oh Boy! More nuance!

Well, if you can tell me a meaningful way to separate the content from the production I'm all ears, but I think you're trying to make a meaningless distinction here.
Call it whatever you want. You're still supporting a practice that you claim to disapprove of.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:20AM

^I'm not against the production either. There's nothing wrong with shooting an IR showcase. Putting off IR so you can make more money off of it is the practice that I am opposed to. If a pornstar does not have a problem with black men, she can choose to make herself available for IR from the beginning, or she can wait until later. I can't make that choice for her, and I as a consumer have never watched a new pornstar who hasn't shot IR yet and said to myself "Damn, I hope she waits a year or two before shooting IR." Neither IR consumers in general or I as an individual consumer are in anyway coercing pornstars to start their careers in b/g by refusing to shoot IR. Furthermore, many pornstars have proven that postponing IR is in no way necessary to having a successful career. If other pornstars look at that and decide to play the game anyway, that's on them. "The IR fans made me do it!!!" is utter nonsense, and in fact no pornstar has made such an outrageous claim.
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:28AM

Maybe pornstars will visit this thread and get the idea for a new excuse for postponing IR: "I really want to shoot IR, but IR consumers won't let me yet."

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murdock
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:41AM

Now you're not reading what I'm writing.
Nobody is suggesting that you're forcing stars to hold out and delay shooting IR. But as a consumer you do have some sway in stopping that practice. Make an impact with your wallet and don't buy those scenes. You've already done the hard part (scouring the internet to find out who the holdouts are) so don't buy those scenes. It's that simple. That's the only impact you're ever going to have. As empowered as it might make you feel to get up on your soapbox and tell everyone with internet access how you feel about it, that isn't likely to change anything.
Again if you have some meaningful way to separate the practice from the content, I'm all ears, but from what I can see as long as you continue to fund the very practice that you're complaining about you're as much a part of the problem as the performers that you're complaining about.
Don't get me wrong... I think it's stupid to spend as much time as some people seem to be spending just tracking down who has done what sex act on what timeline. My opinion is that's complete and utter waste of time (especially if you're not going to act upon it) and I'd much rather just look at the content that is being produced and buy what suits me. I don't need to know the shooting history of every performer in the scene, nor do I need to know their political leanings, business strategies, or who they made out with in the 7th grade. None of that really matters to me. I think it makes a lot more sense to just focus on the positives and watch porn that I like instead of worrying about all the porn I don't like.
But since you've decided to focus on the negative, let's take that to it's logical end... How does this need for interracial sex translate to the real world? Have you engaged in interracial sex? Do you go to the trouble to find out if your partners have also engaged in interracial sex? Have you applied to the same amount of due diligence to the people you'be actually swapped bodily fluids with? Do you know how long they've held out before taking the interracial plunge? I have to admit. I'm fascinated by what the "So you want to have sex with misspornUSA" pre-screening questionnaire must look like.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:54AM

^The only thing that I'll say about my personal life is that I was married to a black man and yes, I've had and do have lots of interracial sex. That's as much as I'll say on that since it has nothing to do with the subject. I haven't brought up the private lives of any pornstars, nor do I intend to. Their private lives aren't relevant here and neither is mine.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:57AM

I did not start this thread to "focus on the negative." Actually, anyone can look at the thread's first page and see that my opinion of Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day started out as fairly mixed. It's only become more negative over time.
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 1:04AM

And I don't care about your private life either. I simply brought it up to show how ridiculous your "porn morals" are when you extend them to real life. If you're holding the people you jerk off to, to a higher standard than your real life sexual partners, then I would suggest that you have your priorities severely out of whack.
But if we were on a political forum, what you're doing is the equivalent of "I've voted for Senator Blowhard in the last 12 elections and he keeps screwing up!" Either stop voting for him, or stop complaining about what he's doing. Same goes for your porn preferences. Stop complaining, or stop giving them your money to do exactly what you're complaining about, but you can't do both. (without looking like a raging hypocrite) In business you vote with your dollars and as long as you continue to buy "first IR holdout" content, you're voting for it, not matter how much you rant against it on the internet.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 1:25AM

^Are you arguing that real world morals shouldn't hold sway in porn or vice versa?
Your analogy assumes that I am an IR watchdog, aggressively monitoring and investigating the IR policy of all pornstars, which is not true at all.
I see that you are again arguing that I am paying pornstars to wait to shoot IR.

"I really want to shoot IR, but IR consumers won't let me yet." Laughable.
This is the second thread in which I find myself having to tell you that I'm not ranting. Your insolence is distasteful.
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murdock
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 2:10AM

I said that your porn morals shouldn't be stricter than your real world morals. To expand, I think it's pretty fucked up to hold strangers that you'll almost certainly never even meet in real life let alone be engaged in any sexual contact with to a stricter moral code than you do the people who you actually interact with in your real life. I think my example of applying your porn morals to real life sexual partners demonstrated the absurdity of that.

It assumes no such thing. It assumes that you are aware of who is or isn't shooting IR (Which you clearly are) and that you've put some amount of effort into finding that out (which you clearly have)

Well that actually seems to be the first time that you've come close to getting it right. (Every other time you've thrown up a strawman suggesting that I'm saying you're forcing them to do so)
And you've already admitted that you've purchased scenes where pornstars have waited to shoot IR. So yes, you are in fact paying pornstars to wait to shoot IR. Are you now saying that you aren't paying them, or that they aren't waiting to shoot IR?

What's laughable are your terrible leaps of logic. No one is saying that IR consumers are forcing them to hold out on IR. (No matter how many times you repeat it) There is a difference between making it possible (by funding it) and forcing them to do it.
But by all means, don't let my insolence slow you down any. You just keep funding the very practice that you are complaining about, and let me know how well that works out for you. I'm sure when Carter is cashing her check for the showcase that you'll undoubtedly purchase your objections to her delay will be weighing heavy on her conscience.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 7:42AM

MOD:
If this is going to be a two person fight, the thread will get locked. Go back to discussing the topic without attacking anyone.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 9:17AM

Let me get this straight are you really asking me to provide sources without providing any to support your statements?
And what is that you asked her on twitter ? what did she answer exactly?
Did she say she refused to do any IR after her scene with Tyler Knight?
Did she say non agent ever told her to not do any IR?
Did she deny she stayed GG only for two years?
Because what you said there is basically nothing , you just implied you know because you asked her without even bothering to say what is that you know.
Also many things are said in the BTS on DVDs, I don't rely just on the internet I buy DVDs , a lot of them .

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 9:55AM

Since you mentioned me out of the blue with no apparent reason I have to reply
You say Bree wasn't into black men, you already said that , some asked you for more informations but you failed to provide any source or evidence of this nobody else ever heard of . Also "wasn't into black men" may mean a lot of things either she never fucked one before getting into porn, she doesn't have a particular preference for them , she prefer whites or even that she didn't like them.
As for the rest did ask her on twitter? What exactly did you you ask? What she answered because here is her profile on IAFD by ordering her movies in ascending years you will find out that her first four entries were all IR which is most unusual as a debut for someone who is not into black men.
I don't remember exactly when she signed with Adam and Eve and how long her contract lasted .on IAFD her first reported movie with them is in 2007 , Lex the Impaler 6 was issued in 2011
In between there are 12 IR movies , three of which with Adam and Eve themselves but one is a reprinted scene as an extra

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:08AM

It's the agents who do that because they feel that they can hold out for IR for more money, Phoenix Marie is one of them. Girls who stop doing IR is only hurt themselves in the long run as they can making money and doing more scenes plus losing some IR fans too. Christie Stevens, Britney Amber got a lot of hate from it there twitter and they call a her racist in all but now they are is back doing IR most IR fans have moved on to the next girl. So it's the agent are telling these girls not to do IR because they feel they can waited it out for a bigger paid which is BS, btw are these agents racist because they have some black male on there rosters, how do the black men who are with them feel on this.
Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired.
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I guess that was one of those times were someone was actually being "racist". Because Christy was auditioning for a role in a VIVID feature and the director was asking her different questions and one of the questions "Do you do IR?" and Christy said "No". I thought it was a strange question to ask...unless he wanted her to actually do an IR scene. Still strange because VIVID does IR scenes. But maybe that particular director doesn't want to shoot them. I don't know. It just seemed like a strange question out of left field to ask.
I think there is/was a mindeset with at least some people in porn that girls not shooting IR or stop shooting IR is helpful in getting you more highend gigs. I've seen a few girls who did lots of IR in the beginning of their career and then suddenly stop or cut way back on it. Some girls get a make-over and try and re-invent themselves and part of the make-over is to cut back on the IR. I'm not sure if it works or not.
But when these girls do eventually come back to I wonder if fans generally think it's a big deal. I didn't even realize Bitney Amber shot IR before. I'm kinda sorta a Britney fan so depending on what studio/director it's for if it looks good I may check it out if the reast of the cast makes it worth a purchase. With Christy at this point I'm indifferent about her. I I may end up seing it but I won't go out of my way to.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:18AM

LCF wrote:
Interracial4Life wrote:
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Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired.
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Since you mentioned me out of the blue with no apparent reason I have to reply
You say Bree wasn't into black men, you already said that , some asked you for more informations but you failed to provide any source or evidence of this nobody else ever heard of . Also "wasn't into black men" may mean a lot of things either she never fucked one before getting into porn, she doesn't have a particular preference for them , she prefer whites or even that she didn't like them.
As for the rest did ask her on twitter? What exactly did you you ask? What she answered because here is her profile on IAFD by ordering her movies in ascending years you will find out that her first four entries were all IR which is most unusual as a debut for someone who is not into black men.
I don't remember exactly when she signed with Adam and Eve and how long her contract lasted .on IAFD her first reported movie with them is in 2007 , Lex the Impaler 6 was issued in 2011
In between there are 12 IR movies , three of which with Adam and Eve themselves but one is a reprinted scene as an extra
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Yeah, I'm confused also. If she "wasn't into black men" in the sense that she really didn't like or want to shoot with them she could've very very easily not shot any IR while she was with ADAM & EVE. And certainly if she wasn't into them in that way she most certainly didn't have to do IR for her site.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:26AM

Sasha Grey is the biggest pornstar in recent momory she came in doing IR. Bree Olsen is another top star who did as much Ir and white. Alexis Texas did Black men but not on camera. Basically this is a non issue IR always sold and was considered business as usual until recently. IR is so normal the census bureau started a racial category for mixed races or biracial. The porn industry is behind the times when it comes to race and eventually it is going to become a mainstream issue..it is just too offensive to most people.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:28AM

LCF wrote:
Interracial4Life wrote:
LCF wrote:
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She didn't officially stop, but neither Bangbros nor Brazzers ever booked her for IR , she said she was suggested not to though, she didn't seem to listen , plus she stayed GG only for a couple years
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What part did you read because she didn't say that so you are all wrong, btw don't you ever go on Twitter ask them yourself because that is the best answer from them, and not something you are making up.
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Let me get this straight are you really asking me to provide sources without providing any to support your statements?
And what is that you asked her on twitter ? what did she answer exactly?
Did she say she refused to do any IR after her scene with Tyler Knight?
Did she say non agent ever told her to not do any IR?
Did she deny she stayed GG only for two years?
Because what you said there is basically nothing , you just implied you know because you asked her without even bothering to say what is that you know.
Also many things are said in the BTS on DVDs, I don't rely just on the internet I buy DVDs , a lot of them .
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Sorry but I don't believe in your statement, btw you aren't going to find that stuff on a DVD, have you hear of AVN, YouTube or MSN. Used those because they are better to find then just some DVD.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:48AM

LCF wrote:
Interracial4Life wrote:
Bree Olsen wasn't into black men too but didn't stop her for doing IR until her contract from Adam n Eve, before you started giving us the wrong information LCF she did two IR scenes, and one on her website while at Adam n Eve when was let go. The only IR she did after her Adam N Eve contract was in Lex movie before she left she retired.
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Since you mentioned me out of the blue with no apparent reason I have to reply
You say Bree wasn't into black men, you already said that , some asked you for more informations but you failed to provide any source or evidence of this nobody else ever heard of . Also "wasn't into black men" may mean a lot of things either she never fucked one before getting into porn, she doesn't have a particular preference for them , she prefer whites or even that she didn't like them.
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I also would like a source for Bree's alleged statement on not being attracted to black men.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 10:51AM

My take on this is most certainly you have the right to not like something and not buy/watch it if you don't want to. The only time I respond is when the people who don't like something come up with irrational rationalizations for their opinions or if I think there's a logical explaintion from the other side of why things are the way they are. If someone is convinced that the porn industry is filled with evil racists trying to keep black men down or that they don't want fans to have IR, then I will challange that. If a person doesn't get an IR scene from a girl in what they consider a fair amount of time and brand her a racist, I will offer up reasons and examples of why that may not be the case. I do this hoping people will look at things in a different light or consider the other side of things. Lots of time while I'm doing this I know full well that the person I'm responding directly to will never change their mind but I hope it will cause others who might be reading to step back and perhaps reconsider things.

I think everybody has the right to do what they want. The girls have the right to set their own rules, they can choose to do IR after a certain period of time, they can choose to do it after they have done certain things in their career, or never do it, and it’s all good. But there is the other side of the coin though, I, as a paying consumer have the right to my own set of rules as well. It is my choice and my right to say that anybody that shoots dps or gangbangs before IR will not get my money. On the other hand, if you don’t do dps or gangbangs, you can wait as long as you want and if I find you attractive when you finally shoot IR, you will get my money. Now do I think that is irrational on my part? It probably is, so I will not even try to explain why I feel that way.
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That's perfectly fine. Again, you're free to like or want whatever. And you (people in general) don'thave to explain it. But if you do just be aware that if someone disagrees they might call you on it. Also be aware that you're one person with an opinion. Too many people are convinced that what they like, everyone likes and they speak for the masses. So just because a poster believes Boob jobs, butt implants, girls not doing anal, girls waiting for a bigger pay day, etc., etc., is going to somehow destroy the porn industry because that's what they're convinced of...doesn't actually make it true.

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Interracial4Life
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:12AM

^^^
Draxxx, not every girls who does black men on camera doesn't mean they date them off camera. Jacky Joy said during a interview she doesn't date black men off camera but just doing it for money. Some IR fans weren't too happy about it but who care as long they do IR on film that matter, and we shouldn't get into there personal life's because they aren't our girlfriends, or wife's.

Mainstream Hollywood is getting more into Interracial relationship now these days. The Kardashian both Kim, Khole, Kris, and one of the youngest sister had dated black men for year. Some black NFL and NBA players are marry to white woman. Will Smith movie Focus had a IR romance scenes with Margot Robbie. Luke Cages in the comic books is marry to Jessica Jones who have a biracial daughter, there going to be a Jessica Jones TV show on Netflix this year, and Luke Cages on next year. We are seeing it in Hollywood and in the media, as for the porn industry it's still stuck in the 1950-1960 which is sad.
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misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:13AM

Feeding you further will result in this thread getting locked, so I'll reply to just this and then be done with you.
I won't purchase Carter's showcase. I am a Blacked member, and will watch the scenes as they are released monthly just as I would with any other new scenes on Blacked. If I wasn't a Blacked member I wouldn't see the showcase because I wouldn't buy the dvd. Again, I don't have first IR fever like many other IR fans do. I was a Blacked member for months before I watched any of Dani's showcase scenes.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:46AM

You just can't compare the porn business to the real world. Porn sells fantasy and fetish. Maybe decades from now IR won't be considered a fetish/niche but right now it is. Some people want to specifically see it. Some people like that it's a specific genre. There will always be things in porn that some people find offensive. That's the nature of fetishes.
As far as pornstars who do IR right off the bat verses those who don't...I wish all girls who enter biz would do it and it not be the big deal it is. But the reality of it is some girls who enter porn don't want to do it, might not have it on their list of priortites, might be indifferent about it, or can't wait to do as many black guys as they can. Some angencies might tell girls to hold off. Some angencies might tell a girl to be picky about the IR they do. Some agencies may tell a girl she needs to do as much as she can.
I've said it before: all girls aren't equal and they can't follow the same game plan or they might not want to follow the traditional game plan. There are girls who enter porn and are an instant hit and everyone sees it after a scene or two. There are girls who are totally ignored and they have to do over the top extreme stuff just to get noticed.
Tera Patrick walks to to porn and she's scooped up and guided toward a particular path. She has has a lot more clout because she's got star power. Some people think she's so goodlooking that she'd most benefit being in the feature side of porn where goodlooking girls sell moreso that sex-acts. That audience is made up of couples and people who don't like the had stuff. IR isn't big on that side of the fence as it is on the Gonzo side. IR isn't a priorety. In fact they mostly plan to stay away from it. Even if a girl like Tera wanted to do IR they tell her no. Tera doesn't see any reason to push the issue and all is going well overwise so she just goes with it. I'm not saying that specifically happened to Tera but I just used her as an example.
Lucious Lopez walks into porn and the strategy for her career is completely different. LL is nice looking and proves to be a great performer but she'll totally fail if they try and follow the Tera gameplan with her. She has different strengths and appeal so it's best to sell her as a Gonzo babe who's up for the harder stuff. She's got the hot bubble butt thing going so black guys will go crazy over that so she needs to do IR ASAP. She'll probably not get star billing but she's a good performer and workhorse so she'll find plenty of work as one of the additional cast members in movies. She'll have to do more movies though because she won't make the type of money Tera makes.
I just used Tera and Lucious as examples of both ends of the spectrum. A lot of girls fall somewhere in the middle. Some girls career are successful because of IR and others can do just fine without it. Some girls just fall into a place where IR isn't high on their to do list. They're comfortable where they are and they're doing just fine career and money-wise. Some girls don't have the type of career that's very sustainable without IR. Another thing to consider is what the girl actually wants from Porn. Some girls want to be a big pornstar and make most of their income from shooting scenes. Other girls don't work as much because the porn is done just to make their feature dancing or escorting more profitable. For some girls they aren't really losing money by not doing IR because they make the bulk of their money elsewhere.
Poor Alexis Texas. She doesn't want to do IR but it's her big bubble butt has that target on it. If Alexis had a body like Jenna Haze the demand for her to do IR wouldn't be anywhere ear as much. But people associate big butts with black guys and are upset that she won't do IR on the porn screen. It's not because they think Alexis is a great peformer or will do a scene that blows anyone away....it's that butt. It's also funny that the fact that she refused to do it makes some fans want it all the more. I'm sure she's been offered a big pay day but has repeatedly turned her down. Some of you should respect that if you're really against girls holding out just for more money.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 11:52AM

I understand that and it's fine by me. I just didn't quite understand what you meant when you said Bree "wasn't into black guys" because that could be taken a number of different ways. I thought you meant she wasn't really into shooting with them.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:01PM

LOL. Actually Porn is waaaaaay ahead of Hollywood when it comes to black men starring in movies and interracial coupling. Porn easily produces more product where black men are the stars and IR couples are shown in a year than Hollywood has in decades.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:05PM

I'm sure you don't believe that porn should be some sort of a morality-free zone where anything goes, so why is segregation okay in the porn industry and not in other businesses? Black men should have the same opportunities as all other men in porn.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:07PM

Draxxx wrote:
Interracial4Life wrote:
Mainstream Hollywood is getting more into Interracial relationship now these days. The Kardashian both Kim, Khole, Kris, and one of the youngest sister had dated black men for year. Some black NFL and NBA players are marry to white woman. Will Smith movie Focus had a IR romance scenes with Margot Robbie. Luke Cages in the comic books is marry to Jessica Jones who have a biracial daughter, there going to be a Jessica Jones TV show on Netflix this year, and Luke Cages on next year. We are seeing it in Hollywood and in the media, as for the porn industry it's still stuck in the 1950-1960 which is sad.
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LOL. Actually Porn is waaaaaay ahead of Hollywood when it comes to black men starring in movies and interracial coupling. Porn easily produces more product where black men are the stars and IR couples are shown in a year than Hollywood has in decades.
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I have to agree. When watching Focus I was shocked that the movie was even made.

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Interracial4Life
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:24PM

Before I leave seriously Draxxx you sound like you want to put IR fans and black men in porn down. I know Alexis Texas some black fans because of her butt but there money isn't going enough to do scene with them on film. Not all black men aren't into Alexis Texas, how many black fans does Tera Patrick, Jenna Jameson have, zero. Go check out by Lexington Steele interview because he said that most girls who don't do IR are hurting themselves ,ad the money they can make. BTW Lexington Steele (not you Draxxx) is in the industry, and he know what he is taking about because you and LFC are no industry insider just fans who watch porn. She can make as much more money as she can by doing IR because you can get more work. Remember pornstars aren't rich like Hollywood stars or sports athletes who lived in million dollar mansions, or driving sport car in all. Those girls who don't do IR aren't not getting much of a bigger black fan base, and for black men they aren't make as much money like on doing scenes.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 12:26PM

So many words, so little content.
Earlier on this thread I expressed doubt that Carter Cruise had or would ever do IR, I was advised by Miss Porn that she was going to get into it in a big way with a feature on the Blacked web site. I have finally seen the preview and it looks great. I don't care if Carter ever does it again, at least I can enjoy all her work knowing that she realizes, "it won't wear off".
I couldn't care less if a porn starlet is "in to Black Guys" or can't stand them; either way, it does not make them racist, as long as they are willing to work with them at least once. But, if a starlet does anything and everything on camera BUT never with a black guy, well that is clearly what it is.
What gets me is the tortuous logic on this thread to gloss over the obvious. Anyone is free to believe a well known seasoned star with hundreds of credits like Alexis Texas screws black guys in her private life but not on camera (for money). I own have some prime real estate in Florida I'll let go cheap.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 2:27PM

The day Alexis Texas fucks a black guy on camera will be the day hell freezes over. There's waiting for a bigger payday and then waiting until there's no other options. I think Alexis is waiting for the latter.

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Interracial4Life
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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 6:06PM

That will be in 2025 when no one cares anymore, I bet you that the Detroit Lions will win the Super Bowl before Alexis Texas does her 1st IR scene.

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 6:17PM

Alexis Texas did a IR scene for Justin Slayer in 2009...

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Posted - Jun 7 2015 : 7:44PM

No shit

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