Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day (page 8)

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fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - May 31 2015 : 1:06PM It seems like when fans ask for IR they really mean they want Black on Black. Since racism is prevalent in the industry if studios cave and produce what consumers want it will be seen as a defeat by some people. Racism is hurting the industry across the board, fans won't ask for what they want and studios will not produce it. Add in the industry is now a monopoly and this situation is not going to improve soon. [Link]
NomnoMnOm Member 379 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 31 2015 : 1:22PM LCF wrote: It wasn't when I posted that days ago and if it was I couldn't find it , unlikely but possible. But the main point is that there's not enough black on black porn out there , would you please just take count how many black girls Lex fucked in the last 10 months? ten? twenty? , How many IR scenes did he shoot? 90? A hundred? The scenes you want aren't there , it doesn't matter that those black performers did IR scenes or Black on black scenes (but as said Shane avoided them for YEARS) all those guys you mentioned shoot 20:1 IR over anything else. The scenes those girls are turning their nose over as you said are just not there how many are those scenes per month? How many actresses are there to shoot? You can't put a barrel full of pornstars into a glass full of scenes, this seems to be point you can't get Edited by - LCF on 5/31/2015 11:29:29 AM Click to expand Eh, if we're talking frequency & availability of black-on-black, the ebony girls that are 1. sought after and 2. have no issues doing ebony scenes will receive a fair amount of ebony work. Look at how many ebony scenes Teanna Trump has been shot in less than a year's time. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - May 31 2015 : 1:42PM fredgee wrote: It seems like when fans ask for IR they really mean they want Black on Black. Click to expand Huh? [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - May 31 2015 : 1:46PM Interracial4Life wrote: Some IR Fans obviously care some way or another about the state of interracial porn, or we wouldn't be here. They complain about who is or isn't doing interracial scenes, and bitch about how little content the big producers like Brazzers and DigitalPlayground produce with us in mind. Click to expand And that's the problem. Why should every studio cater to your wants? It would be one thing if nobody was making quality interrracial porn, but that's not even close to being true. What you're doing is bitching and complaining that the NBA isn't more like the NFL when the obvious solution is to just watch the damn NFL. If you feel justified bitching about Brazzers and DP not making enough interracial porn, do you think I'm justified bitching that DogFart doesn't make enough solo and g/g porn? IR Fans feel betrayed by the porn industry and some not all IR fans consequently feel somewhat justified when they pirate its scenes because they don't want to support girls who don't do IR or companies like DP. Click to expand That reminds me of vegetarians who find the idea of eating dead animals repulsive and offensive, yet they go out of their way to eat things that are made specifically to look feel and taste just like dead fucking animals. Yeah... tell me how much you hate the thought of eating dead animals again. And you... yeah you're so outraged and offended by the state of IR porn that you'll steal content to jerk off too? Yeah... tell me how outraged you are by some studio while you've got your crank in your hand beatin' it to their product. BTW I saw these video and another video had me laughing but it true. I think IR fans shouldn't support girls who don't do IR but support the one who for all I say. Click to expand Yeah, and tell me more about racial injustices, man who says porn is run by fat greasy jews and dago mobsters. I especially liked the part where he implied that Alexis Texas especially should fuck black guys on film because she's 1/4 Puerto Rican and she gotta thick ass. That's some brilliant fucking logic there. But, just out of curiosity, how would you feel if I called out Lex, and Prince and Shane for never making any gay porn, and called then gay hating homophobes. Is that fair for me to do? [Link]

Octodickie Member 19 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 31 2015 : 2:58PM murdock wrote: Octodickie wrote: ^I have already stated my case on how the male performer is not just a commodity. I dont feel the need to state it again, so I won't. Click to expand Yes, you've stated your case. And I've refuted it. So yeah... no need for you to state it again. You havent actually "refuted" anything, just proclaimed it so, hilariously, I might add. Affirmative Action is of course a "concept", but its a policy instituted by the government. Can't even see how that's debatable, so I won't waste any more time on that either. Click to expand You brought up the government bullshit, not me. I was referencing the concept so if you can't differentiate between the two, that's not my problem, its yours. As I pointed out a this concept w/o an authority to enforce this policy, means nothing. My problem is your illogical insistence it does and poorly based accusation that I want affirmative action. But your pattern is -write some bullshit, call it a refutation and continually insist it is, until the person stops responding. There is always ONE of you TYPES on every message board in existence on the internet it seems You questioned me with a condescending "Can I read...." Well of course, once you inserted AA into the discussion, I predicted you would drag the conversation down to lower depths with a hint of arrogance. No surprise there, I saw it coming a mile away. Click to expand I was arrogant long before I brought up affirmative action. Let's not act like that was some revelation. If it took you that long to notice, then I've vastly overestimated you. Nice job though, sharing with everyone (after the fact) how you just knew that was going to happen. Your post facto clairvoyance is greatly appreciated. I've noticed a lot more, I'm literate enough to read someone who obviously like an open book. Black male performers exploring the possibility of enhancing their compensation is a no brainer. Why wouldn't they? Click to expand Well since you've got such a great grasp on predicting what's already happened, and since it's such a no-brainer as you put it, then why haven't they? If it's as easy and simple as you claim, then why are we even debating it? Who's to say they haven't discussed it. Its a debate ONLY in your head. That's how headcases are. Whether the companies pay it or not depends on their skill on how they proceed on going about it. Yes, it depends on them (the top talent) doing this as a collective. Click to expand And there lies the problem... and that's why it almost certainly won't happen Well you're certainly hoping, maybe even praying it won't. And if it does, hide the kitchen knives and lock the medicine cabinet lmao! You really aren't saying anything I havent stated in other posts going back several days, other than your belief it won't happen. Click to expand Well yeah. I already stated that if the market supports it that I'm all for it, and that if that happens, we're in agreement. The disagreement we have is whether or not they have a right to more money if the market doesn't support it and seem to be of the opinion they do, and I'm of the opinion they don't. Your belief on the matter is not a fact of course, just your opinion. Reiterating it over and over again won't change time. Click to expand Well that's true of your opinions too. The difference is I've backed up most of my opinions with supporting facts. You? Not so much. Of course we know this isnt true. It almost feels as if you have a personal stake in them NOT being compensated more. I believe its more than just monetarily also. I don't feel the need to elaborate on that, or deal with the compulsory denial that is sure to come after. Click to expand I'm all for paying everybody what they're worth, and ditching the labels in the first place. I think it's fucking ridiculous that in 2015 the industry is still labeling performers as black performers and white performers. As liberal and forward thinking as the porn industry typically is they're about a century behind the times when it comes to race. But I guess that's more a problem with their willingness to serve up what the public wants. Since the public clearly wants to keep reminding everyone that Lex & Co are black performers, and not just excellent performers, we're going to be stuck arguing how much black performers should be making. As long as the practice of paying a white female performer MORE simply bc of her race and 1st time having sex with a black man exists it will be discussed rightfully. And what has been established is that they can receive greater compensation if they plan a strategy as a collective and stick to it. THAT was what I said should be explored in my very first post. The potential for them to earn more for an "IR First" exists and thats IRREFUTABLE. There is nothing to debate about that. Well at least to anyone that understands sound logic, and whose ego and self-esteem isnt predicated on pretending to win ADT forum debates. So remember that, next time you want hop up on your soapbox and act all high and mighty about race. And then he accuses ME of jumping up on a soapbox, when each one of his posts reaks of a tragic drama waiting to happen lmao! Click to expand So I'll let you have the last words, because I know how important it is to you. So get those emoticons ready, I clearly envision that all those snarky comments are already bubbling to the surface lol. Edited by - Octodickie on 5/31/2015 3:39:37 PM [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - May 31 2015 : 4:09PM murdock wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: Some IR Fans obviously care some way or another about the state of interracial porn, or we wouldn't be here. They complain about who is or isn't doing interracial scenes, and bitch about how little content the big producers like Brazzers and DigitalPlayground produce with us in mind. Click to expand And that's the problem. Why should every studio cater to your wants? It would be one thing if nobody was making quality interrracial porn, but that's not even close to being true. What you're doing is bitching and complaining that the NBA isn't more like the NFL when the obvious solution is to just watch the damn NFL. If you feel justified bitching about Brazzers and DP not making enough interracial porn, do you think I'm justified bitching that DogFart doesn't make enough solo and g/g porn? IR Fans feel betrayed by the porn industry and some not all IR fans consequently feel somewhat justified when they pirate its scenes because they don't want to support girls who don't do IR or companies like DP. Click to expand That reminds me of vegetarians who find the idea of eating dead animals repulsive and offensive, yet they go out of their way to eat things that are made specifically to look feel and taste just like dead fucking animals. Yeah... tell me how much you hate the thought of eating dead animals again. And you... yeah you're so outraged and offended by the state of IR porn that you'll steal content to jerk off too? Yeah... tell me how outraged you are by some studio while you've got your crank in your hand beatin' it to their product. BTW I saw these video and another video had me laughing but it true. I think IR fans shouldn't support girls who don't do IR but support the one who for all I say. Click to expand Yeah, and tell me more about racial injustices, man who says porn is run by fat greasy jews and dago mobsters. I especially liked the part where he implied that Alexis Texas especially should fuck black guys on film because she's 1/4 Puerto Rican and she gotta thick ass. That's some brilliant fucking logic there. But, just out of curiosity, how would you feel if I called out Lex, and Prince and Shane for never making any gay porn, and called then gay hating homophobes. Is that fair for me to do? Click to expand Dude for one that it's not me I said some IR fans not all, second I do buy my porn with my own money. What part do you get....seriously you need to chill out before you hurt your brain cells. Too much porn can mess your mind up, btw you talked about the NBA and the NFL. Who do you want to win in the Finals, and who do you want to win the Super Bowl this year. Beside both the NFL and the NBA treat blacks better then porn so there no racism in those sports. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - May 31 2015 : 5:35PM Interracial4Life wrote: Some IR Fans obviously care some way or another about the state of interracial porn, or we wouldn't be here. They complain about who is or isn't doing interracial scenes, and bitch about how little content the big producers like Brazzers and DigitalPlayground produce with us in mind. Click to expand My stance on this has always been that I'm fine with BRAZZERS, DIGITAL PLAYGROUND or whoever not having much IR in their movies because I don't want to see any white guys in WCP, BLACK ICE, DOGFART, or BLACK MARKET, etc...BRAZZERS and DP have done IR and apparently those scenes didn't do well enough to persuade them to try doing on a regular basis. BRAZZERS actually had a whole site devoted to IR and now it's gone. I'm sure there are some who will see that as some sort of racist move but the truth is it obviously didn't do as well as they expected so they stopped it. Porn companies are all about niches and finding an audience that works best for them. DP has an audience that has little interest in hardcore sex, IR, or gonzo like porn. If there's an audience big enough to keep that type of porn being produce they should be able to have that type of porn for themselves without Gonzo fans insisting they change to suit their wants. I really really don't want to see every studio trying to please everyone. Let the feature fans have their features. Let the IR fans have their IR devoted movies. Let the Kinky fans have their kinky movies. Accept there are people putting out product not aimed at everyone. IR Fans feel betrayed by the porn industry and some not all IR fans consequently feel somewhat justified when they pirate its scenes because they don't want to support girls who don't do IR or companies like DP. BTW I saw these video and another video had me laughing but it true. I think IR fans shouldn't support girls who don't do IR but support the one who for all I say. Click to expand The people who claim to be justified in pirating movies are people who would be pirating movies anyway and will always have an excuse to rationalize/justify not paying. Those 2 videos are just nonsense that don't say anything other than here's a list of girls who don't have sex on camera with black guys and he doesn't like it. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - May 31 2015 : 5:52PM ^ So it's ok for those companies like Brazzers or DP to discrimination against black men in porn? Edited by - Interracial4Life on 5/31/2015 7:14:45 PM [Link]
Solaar pleure Member Skepticism is the beginning of faith 50 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 31 2015 : 9:48PM I hope I am wrong when I say this thread is about to get locked... [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - May 31 2015 : 10:01PM ^There's absolutely no reason for it to be locked. [Link]
IWatchUSmash Deactivated User ooh shit she bouncing!! 638 Posts 1/14	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 5:08AM LCF wrote: IWatchUSmash wrote: You're WRONG regarding Lex actually as Black Panthers 4 is due out next month according to the evil angels site. And btw the problem isn't about the black females doing "too much IR", the problem is some of them are totally turning their noses up at black porn and acting like some of their white counter parts by not working with black men at all. It's a very sad attitude to have considering black males have been stigmatised within the industry since it's inception with white, latin, asian and every other race of females refusing to work with them so to have black women do it too is simply shameful. Can anyone name an active, mainstream black male in the game who has NOT worked with a black female? Rico? he has Prince? he has Lex? he has Dingo? he has Flash brown? he has Jason brown? he has Isiah Washington? he has Moe Johnson? he has Kevin Stallion? he has Rob Piper? he has Nat Turner? he has Ice Cold? he has This list is endless...yet right now though one could name a whole bunch of black/mixed females who haven't worked with black men and there lies the difference. And sadly the list seems to be growing by the month..every new black chick seems to make her debut in IR porn now. Click to expand It wasn't when I posted that days ago and if it was I couldn't find it , unlikely but possible. But the main point is that there's not enough black on black porn out there , would you please just take count how many black girls Lex fucked in the last 10 months? ten? twenty? , How many IR scenes did he shoot? 90? A hundred? The scenes you want aren't there , it doesn't matter that those black performers did IR scenes or Black on black scenes (but as said Shane avoided them for YEARS) all those guys you mentioned shoot 20:1 IR over anything else. The scenes those girls are turning their nose over as you said are just not there how many are those scenes per month? How many actresses are there to shoot? You can't put a barrel full of pornstars into a glass full of scenes, this seems to be point you can't get Edited by - LCF on 5/31/2015 11:29:29 AM Click to expand Sorry but that's complete nonsense. Cherokee Da Ass shoots black porn, Pinky shoots black porn, Bangbros with their brownbunnies series has shot several black scenes and so has L.T over the years along with Lex's series. not to mention WCP and industry Invaders. So opportunities are there if a black female wishes to take them..that's the primary reason why the likes of Teanna Trump, Skin Diamond and Anna Fox has shot a loads of Black scenes while Jezebell hasn't..the former WANT'S to work with black men and the latter simply doesn't. That's the facts of the matter. [Link]
IWatchUSmash Deactivated User ooh shit she bouncing!! 638 Posts 1/14	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 5:14AM NomnoMnOm wrote: LCF wrote: It wasn't when I posted that days ago and if it was I couldn't find it , unlikely but possible. But the main point is that there's not enough black on black porn out there , would you please just take count how many black girls Lex fucked in the last 10 months? ten? twenty? , How many IR scenes did he shoot? 90? A hundred? The scenes you want aren't there , it doesn't matter that those black performers did IR scenes or Black on black scenes (but as said Shane avoided them for YEARS) all those guys you mentioned shoot 20:1 IR over anything else. The scenes those girls are turning their nose over as you said are just not there how many are those scenes per month? How many actresses are there to shoot? You can't put a barrel full of pornstars into a glass full of scenes, this seems to be point you can't get Edited by - LCF on 5/31/2015 11:29:29 AM Click to expand Eh, if we're talking frequency & availability of black-on-black, the ebony girls that are 1. sought after and 2. have no issues doing ebony scenes will receive a fair amount of ebony work. Look at how many ebony scenes Teanna Trump has been shot in less than a year's time. Click to expand Totally agree. Teanna, Skin, Misty, Keri Hilton, Chanel Hart etc...all of them shoot black scenes regularly but somehow black on black scenes "aren't available" to others? it just doesn't make sense. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 8:56AM Interracial4Life wrote: ^ So it's ok for those companies like Brazzers or DP to discrimination against black men in porn? Click to expand Is it okay for BLACK MARKET, WCP, BLACK ICE, etc., to discriminate against white men in porn? Brazzers shoots with black men. As I mentioned, BRAZZERS once had a site devoted to black men with white women. Obviously it didn't work for them. If it was profitable there'd be no reason to shut it down. I know there are people who think there are evil racist people who care more about keeping black people down than making money but that's not the case. DP has had black men in their movies and even done some IR themed movies. Again, they must not have done so well for them and they didn't see the need to lose their money. Why is it so hard to believe that not everyone wants to watch the same thing you do? Why is it so wrong for a company to not make something that doesn't work for them? Should they keep pumping out stuff that doesn't sell for them so you and others don't accuse them of being racist? [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 12:22PM Draxxx wrote: I named Lex because he's a fav of JULES JORDAN, his series at EVIL ANGEL, his old MERCENARY line, and the various series he's done for different companies over the years. Mandingo seems to be WCP's golden guy these days because in seems that most of their recent DVD output showcases him. I'm surprised to hear that Mandingo has the best selling JJV title. I would've thought it would be Lex. Jules seems to prefer Lex and Lex seems to be the more dynamic performer. I'm not that big a fan of Shane but Shane always seems to be working for studios starring in his own line. I named Prince because he's popular but hasn't been able to maintain a line of movies like Lex, Mandingo, and Shane. I think Lex, Mandingo, and Shane's popularity comes primary from their size. That's not to say they aren't good performers but them being big and black is their main selling point. They have that going for them in that it's something not so easily replacable. So they would have a bit more bargaining power than some of the other black performers. Click to expand I agree with pretty everything you said there except, I wouldn't put Shane in the sane category as Lex and Mandingo frankly because he can't keep it up like the other two can. I always thought that was the reason JJV never gave him his own serious, I mean they gave both Rico Strong and Prince multiple serious but never Shane though. As far as I know Lex the Impaler and Mandingo Massacre are 2 and 3 behind Ads Worship interms of serous sales for JJV. Draxxx wrote: Thanks. But in my mind the girls you named should count as having done IR because they actually did it. Surprised to see Aletta Ocean on your list because I've seen what I consider a lot of IR from her. So if we go by my personal criteria of any girl who's done IR counts the perecentage will probably be closer to the number I thought. Click to expand I totally understand what you're saying but imo there is a difference between "girls who have done IR" and "girls that do IR". To me they are two very different things, you're right about Aletta though I should not have included her. [Link]

Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 12:27PM Draxxx wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: ^ So it's ok for those companies like Brazzers or DP to discrimination against black men in porn? Click to expand Is it okay for BLACK MARKET, WCP, BLACK ICE, etc., to discriminate against white men in porn? Brazzers shoots with black men. As I mentioned, BRAZZERS once had a site devoted to black men with white women. Obviously it didn't work for them. If it was profitable there'd be no reason to shut it down. I know there are people who think there are evil racist people who care more about keeping black people down than making money but that's not the case. DP has had black men in their movies and even done some IR themed movies. Again, they must not have done so well for them and they didn't see the need to lose their money. Why is it so hard to believe that not everyone wants to watch the same thing you do? Why is it so wrong for a company to not make something that doesn't work for them? Should they keep pumping out stuff that doesn't sell for them so you and others don't accuse them of being racist? Click to expand It's people like you, and the industry that doesn't want to see black male performer be successful. There are some directors, performers in the industry who are racist in all but don't want to go public on it. This industry favorites color (white) or talent, James Dean, Manuel Ferrara, and other white male performers are given opportunities because they are white while Lexington Steele, Prince, and Sean Michaels have to earned it the hard way because they are black. Edited by - Interracial4Life on 6/1/2015 12:28:33 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 12:39PM Bobmarblee wrote: I agree with pretty everything you said there except, I wouldn't put Shane in the sane category as Lex and Mandingo frankly because he can't keep it up like the other two can. I always thought that was the reason JJV never gave him his own serious, I mean they gave both Rico Strong and Prince multiple serious but never Shane though. Click to expand Nonetheless, Draxxx was correct, and a simple visit to data18 or IAFD can prove, that "Shane always seems to be working for studios starring in his own line." Personally I think he is as good a performer as Lex and a better performer than Mandingo (though I'm a fan of Mandingo as well), but that's besides the point when it comes to evaluating his success over the years. [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 12:58PM ^I know Shane had his own line of flicks but it's mostly for New Sensations and let's be honest they are not in the same league as Evil Angel or JJV. I don't put him the same legendary status as Lex and Mandingo because I don't really feel like his scenes are treated as "events" like the other two are. I would even say he is lower on the black male performer todem pole then Prince, Flash, Rob, Jason and maybe even Rico. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 8:28PM Interracial4Life wrote: Draxxx wrote: Interracial4Life wrote: ^ So it's ok for those companies like Brazzers or DP to discrimination against black men in porn? Click to expand Is it okay for BLACK MARKET, WCP, BLACK ICE, etc., to discriminate against white men in porn? Brazzers shoots with black men. As I mentioned, BRAZZERS once had a site devoted to black men with white women. Obviously it didn't work for them. If it was profitable there'd be no reason to shut it down. I know there are people who think there are evil racist people who care more about keeping black people down than making money but that's not the case. DP has had black men in their movies and even done some IR themed movies. Again, they must not have done so well for them and they didn't see the need to lose their money. Why is it so hard to believe that not everyone wants to watch the same thing you do? Why is it so wrong for a company to not make something that doesn't work for them? Should they keep pumping out stuff that doesn't sell for them so you and others don't accuse them of being racist? Click to expand It's people like you, and the industry that doesn't want to see black male performer be successful. There are some directors, performers in the industry who are racist in all but don't want to go public on it. This industry favorites color (white) or talent, James Dean, Manuel Ferrara, and other white male performers are given opportunities because they are white while Lexington Steele, Prince, and Sean Michaels have to earned it the hard way because they are black. Click to expand Damn. You got me figured out. I don't want to see black performers successful. Me, and the people like me meet regularly to figure out and plan ways to keep black black performers down. Next meeting is June 15th. We'll be serving cheese and crackers. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 1 2015 : 8:45PM Bobmarblee wrote: ^I know Shane had his own line of flicks but it's mostly for New Sensations and let's be honest they are not in the same league as Evil Angel or JJV. I don't put him the same legendary status as Lex and Mandingo because I don't really feel like his scenes are treated as "events" like the other two are. I would even say he is lower on the black male performer todem pole then Prince, Flash, Rob, Jason and maybe even Rico. Click to expand Not a big Shane fan. Shane and Ramone almost seem to be in a different industry. I see alot of the other black guys crosssing over and shooting for various companies but Shane and Ramone seem to stick to one or two studios. [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 2:25PM ^I'm not a fan of his either but he has gotten girls to do there first IRs though so I'll give in that. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 4:28PM Interracial4Life wrote: It's people like you, and the industry that doesn't want to see black male performer be successful. There are some directors, performers in the industry who are racist in all but don't want to go public on it. This industry favorites color (white) or talent, James Dean, Manuel Ferrara, and other white male performers are given opportunities because they are white while Lexington Steele, Prince, and Sean Michaels have to earned it the hard way because they are black. Click to expand Hard way? the first time I saw Lex performing he was fucking senseless Sylvia Saint and then she impaled herself anally over him , it was The Academy for Private which was a very big studio back then a few years later he had his Lex the Impaler series not to mention all that he did for Anabolic/Diabolic Sean begun in a very different era along with Ray Victory and others of that time not even comparable to today he had to wait at least 20 years to be showcased in a movie [Link]
kuvulrixfr245 Member 18 Posts 5/15	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 5:25PM Is not running afoul of some law in California to demand more pay because your co-worker will be black? How would this be viewed in any other industry? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 5:41PM ^ Same for some law where you force a girl to have sex with someone she won't. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 7:01PM ^Has anyone suggested that pornstars should be forced to work with black men? Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/2/2015 7:02:06 PM [Link]

fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 7:24PM This era of race based porn could be called the MindGeek era. It is porn for geeks. The product is basically fantasy driven, unrealistic. It doesn't have the support of the previous era because it does not appeal to mainstream audiences who are accustomed to IR and other genres. They don't see IR, Black porn as a fantasy. The geek era is going to pass and hopefully the new era in porn will be the inclusive industry it once was. [Link]
DeathMetalFan Deactivated User 24 Posts 4/15	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 8:00PM It's people like you, and the industry that doesn't want to see black male performer be successful. There are some directors, performers in the industry who are racist in all but don't want to go public on it. This industry favorites color (white) or talent, James Dean, Manuel Ferrara, and other white male performers are given opportunities because they are white while Lexington Steele, Prince, and Sean Michaels have to earned it the hard way because they are black. Click to expand You are talking nonsenses. The majority of racism is geared up against white men in porn. Every porn website has the same black guys with white women, heavily promoted whilst the white guys in porn are mostly forgotten about. Think about it. Jules Jordan pumps out DVDs on a regular basis with titles like "black owned" - not just him doing this, there is all kinds of offensive racist title names geared up to demonizing white men. A title with white owned would not be acceptable. Jules Jordan, Bang Bros, Mofos and a practically every other porn website regularly advertise black dicks with "big" before them or the word "black". They do this in ALMOST every scene. If there's a big dick in porn just leave it at that, but they always have to advertise the fact it's black but rarely never big white for the white guy. The only pornsites I can wack off to these days is Brazzers because they do a lot of white on white/latina scenes or we fuck black girls (featuring white dudes and black girls). Black man in porn does nothing for me, like it does nothing for most white Europeans yet it forced on us on most American porn websites and heavily promoted even in modern day society by media-outlets. An example like almost every scene Rico Strong, or Sean Michaels pumps out will always have black in the title. Criss Strokes, Clover etc is easily the same size as Rico or Michaels yet there isn't a single scene advertising clover as a giant "White" Cock. Of the billions of free porn tube websites out there is always a "black" section, never a white section. Of the ga-zillions of free porn tube video websites or blogs there is always an obsession with big black dicks, never any promotion of big white dicks. It's white men who are put to the bottom in porn. Even the very advert on this forum on THIS very page!! In HUGE bold advertising is a website called "Blacked". You don't see any promotion on here of a website called "whited" do you? I can't even name a handful of porn websites dedicated just to only white cocks, yet blacks get all their own series and websites. Black guys get paid more money for shooting interracial even if they are terrible performers. Lex Steele is a almost a house hold name in porn has all his own series with his own name in the title whilst Danny D easily the same size and better actor than Lex hardly anyone has heard of. I could easily name a heck load of big dick white pornstars some even left the industry because they couldn't get work, yet hardly anyone has heard of them, there is little market for it in America where the majority of porn is filmed. The list goes on and on. There is little market for big dick white guys these days in porn (yes manuel is an exception). To top it all off there's now all this silly degrading cuckold stuff pumped out on a regular basis spreading the myth black men have giant dongs and white men have small dicks or all this nonsenses about all white women only liking black men and white boys are no good or black men breeding the white race out of existence etc and YES this stuff is all over porn blogs and websites, it is deranged and offensive. Black people play the victim on these boards but this is actually a form of denialism or trolling. The white man is now the victim especially when it comes to porn. You ask why some white men are angry, see above for just some of this. Black guys even get mad that their black girls like white men, yet if us white men complain about anything about interracial with a black man and white women we are called racist, lol. Im still laughing at the massive "BLACKED" banner advert which is not only all over this forum but on literally every pornsites I go to this nonsense is promoted. Even threads on this forum like Lex Steele gets loads and loads of pages long and attention whilst Criss Strokes is not even 5 or 6 pages, and Johnny Sins doesn't even have one dedicated to him but he's my fav of all time. Brazzers is constantly bashed because they are not filming enough interracial and "Blacked" or dogfart gets all the praise attention. Perhaps the truth is the industry doesn't want to see a white male performer be successful. Ever thought of that? Regards. :) Edited by - DeathMetalFan on 6/2/2015 8:01:49 PM Edited by - DeathMetalFan on 6/2/2015 8:03:49 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 10:10PM ^Perhaps you should start your own thread in order to further discuss the issues you raised in your comment. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/2/2015 10:11:48 PM [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 10:31PM DeathMetalFan wrote: You are talking nonsenses. The majority of racism is geared up against white men in porn. Every porn website has the same black guys with white women, heavily promoted whilst the white guys in porn are mostly forgotten about. Think about it. Jules Jordan pumps out DVDs on a regular basis with titles like "black owned" - not just him doing this, there is all kinds of offensive racist title names geared up to demonizing white men. A title with white owned would not be acceptable. Jules Jordan, Bang Bros, Mofos and a practically every other porn website regularly advertise black dicks with "big" before them or the word "black". They do this in ALMOST every scene. If there's a big dick in porn just leave it at that, but they always have to advertise the fact it's black but rarely never big white for the white guy. The only pornsites I can wack off to these days is Brazzers because they do a lot of white on white/latina scenes or we fuck black girls (featuring white dudes and black girls). Black man in porn does nothing for me, like it does nothing for most white Europeans yet it forced on us on most American porn websites and heavily promoted even in modern day society by media-outlets. Click to expand So you're saying that it's raciest to NOT mention the race of the performers lol make sense. How many features have Manuel Ferrea gotten this year again? Does that not count? You know Chriss Strokes has his own site now right? Does that not count? Do you know the ratio for Danny D scenes on ZZ this year to IR scenes on ZZ? 44 to 8. You see what I'm gotten at? I was gonna address all that other stuff you wrote but it's to silly to even reply to. There's no lane for big dick white dudes? The fuck are you talking about? Haha [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 2 2015 : 10:32PM misspornUSA wrote: ^Perhaps you should start your own thread in order to further discuss the issues you raised in your comment. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/2/2015 10:11:48 PM Click to expand He doesn't want to start a new thread he just likes to blow up IR threads with non sense. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 1:30PM Kevin Moore wrote: Now there is a new issue. Since about last year, more and more studios have focused on IR. There is now currently a financial incentive to wait and shoot IR for a bigger pay day or to negotiate a showcase feature based around the female performer. Click to expand BLACKED wrote: I hope everyone will appreciate our new feature showcase with the wonderful and talented Carter Cruise. Trailer here: http://bitly.com/carterblacked Click to expand So, did she wait to shoot IR for a bigger pay day? Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/4/2015 2:15:56 PM [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 4:08PM ^Of course. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 4:39PM ^^ I think IR showcase feature are going to be the next big thing in porn, Blacked.com, Jules Jordan, and ever Arch Angels already shooting them. Now after watching that trailer which was hot btw I think a lot of girls are going to ask for an IR showcase feature movie of there own. But it's also from a business side it sell, and Interracial sell a lot. Wesley Pipes in a interview said it all [Link]
Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 5:01PM Bobmarblee wrote: ^Of course. Click to expand @misspornUSA & Bobmarblee: So...does that mean it would be morally the wrong thing to buy this showcase? [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 5:12PM ^^I think that you're correct about the future of IR showcases and Pipes' observations about IR sales are quite interesting. Thanks for sharing that. As for the trailer, it was hot, but not uniquely so. Carter's filmed one extreme scene after another after another (none of which have anything remotely resembling a "derogatory vibe" of course), so as much as I love what Blacked does it's a bit hard for me to get especially excited about the fact that after all of that Carter got around to shooting vanilla sex with a few black men. Still, as I said I love what Blacked does so I'll be watching the showcase scenes just as I would any other Blacked update. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/4/2015 5:17:07 PM [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 5:15PM Quorrl wrote: Bobmarblee wrote: ^Of course. Click to expand @misspornUSA & Bobmarblee: So...does that mean it would be morally the wrong thing to buy this showcase? Click to expand Back on page 2 I wrote: misspornUSA wrote: I intend to watch Carter's Blacked showcase. Edited by - misspornUSA on 4/29/2015 12:31:41 PM Click to expand My intention hasn't changed. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/4/2015 5:34:52 PM [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 6:03PM Quorrl wrote: Bobmarblee wrote: ^Of course. Click to expand @misspornUSA & Bobmarblee: So...does that mean it would be morally the wrong thing to buy this showcase? Click to expand Not at all. It just proves what we all thought to begin with. [Link]
Iramaj1 Senior Member 1397 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 6:15PM Bobmarblee wrote: ^Of course. Click to expand So she started porn in late 2013/early 2014 and started this flick in late 2014. I wouldn't exactly call that waiting around for a bigger payday. She did IR in a shorter time than a lot of IR favorites and even the last showcase star Dani. Dudes need to get out their feelings and just enjoy porn. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 6:52PM ^So according to your timeline she waited for about a year, during which time she shot all manner of extreme content. If she wasn't waiting for a bigger payday, what was she waiting for? It's entirely possible for a person to enjoy Carter Cruise's work while opposing her IR strategy. [Link]
hammer Member 222 Posts 12/02	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 6:59PM bravo Death metal fan! Finally some one who knows what they are talking about! I quit watching interracial porn for the exact reasons you have mentioned.The only interracial I,m interested in anymore is lesbian and you don't see much of that.I say let the cuckolds keep watching. I can find better thing to do. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 7:08PM ^That's not really pertinent to the discussion at hand. [Link]
Interracial4Life Deactivated User 329 Posts 3/15	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 7:40PM hammer wrote: bravo Death metal fan! Finally some one who knows what they are talking about! I quit watching interracial porn for the exact reasons you have mentioned.The only interracial I,m interested in anymore is lesbian and you don't see much of that.I say let the cuckolds keep watching. I can find better thing to do. Click to expand You and Death metal fan just want to derail this cool thread, both of you need to GTFOH. Carter Cruise said on her twitter this was shot six month ago so it was in December 2014. Remember Blacked.com shots some scenes in late 2013 before launching in May of 2014. Edited by - Interracial4Life on 6/4/2015 7:55:10 PM [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 8:23PM Iramaj1 wrote: Bobmarblee wrote: ^Of course. Click to expand So she started porn in late 2013/early 2014 and started this flick in late 2014. I wouldn't exactly call that waiting around for a bigger payday. She did IR in a shorter time than a lot of IR favorites and even the last showcase star Dani. Dudes need to get out their feelings and just enjoy porn. Click to expand I would definitely call doing literally everything else first wanting around for a paycheck. BTW bruh no one is in there feeings or whatever and I enjoy porn just fine, I'm just stating my opinion like everyone else. [Link]
Iramaj1 Senior Member 1397 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 8:46PM But did you have a problem with Kendra Lust waiting 2 years to do an IR scene? You were excited for her Blacked scene. The problem is not really her waiting for a bigger payday it's just because IR happened to be the last porno thing she did. If she had made it known she had done an IR scene and then a week later done her first gangbang and it was with 50 white dudes this wouldn't even be a discussion. Because it would be "At least she did IR before that" That to me does show some feelings being brought into the equation. Guys are mad saying she did this or that before IR which is really the only reason you don't like her. Because there are already chicks on the site that held out for 2-3 years but don't catch the same flack. BTW ain't you newbob because y'all been shitting hard over on the other board. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 8:51PM misspornUSA wrote: ^So according to your timeline she waited for about a year, during which time she shot all manner of extreme content. If she wasn't waiting for a bigger payday, what was she waiting for? Click to expand First of all, of course she should get more for this movie because it's a showcase devoted to her. Secondly, maybe she like most pornstars have a career plan laid out where they plan to do certain things at certain times. Is that going to be the thinking process now? Whenever a girl decides to do IR if the fans don't think it happened soon enough then surely she must've held out for a big payday? Girls in porn have been holding off on doing IR for decades. There's not a guideline ithat states when a girl has to do IR. Some may feel they want to wait 3 years, some may only wait 6 months. Perhaps she did wait for for a bigger payday....Fans ended up with a showcase because of it. Nothing bad about that in my eyes. It's entirely possible for a person to enjoy Carter Cruise's work while opposing her IR strategy. Click to expand What's this great IR strategy that's in your head? If Carter's doing it wrong, tell us the right way it should be done. [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 8:55PM ^^If you know I'm newbob on the other board you know my stance on this type if stuff. Edited by - bobmarblee on 6/4/2015 9:17:39 PM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 9:00PM Quorrl wrote: Bobmarblee wrote: ^Of course. Click to expand @misspornUSA & Bobmarblee: So...does that mean it would be morally the wrong thing to buy this showcase? Click to expand Girls in porn get spit on, slapped, choked, gagged, tied up, golden showed, fisted, bukakkeed(sp), etc...and that's fine but we should be worrying about if it's okay to buy a movie based on a girl's pay negotiation? [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 9:04PM Bobmarblee wrote: ^If you know I'm newbob on the other board you know my stance on this type if stuff. Click to expand No idea who you are and you're free to take any stance you want. I just don't agree with it some of your views on the matter and will present a different point of view wen I don't. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 9:05PM ^He was replying to Iramaj1. [Link]
Bobmarblee Senior Member 1462 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 9:18PM ^^I was referring to the person above you but I welcome your opinions when they differ from mine. [Link]
Iramaj1 Senior Member 1397 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jun 4 2015 : 9:25PM Bobmarblee wrote: ^If you know I'm newbob on the other board you know my stance on this type if stuff. Click to expand I absolutely have no beef with you, I think you're a cool poster but what I'm trying to get at is that you're fine with chicks holding out as long as they just don't do any other "porno specified sex acts" before IR right? So your argument of chicks holding out for a bigger payday just comes across to me as complete BS. In this very thread, you even defended and backed Peta Jensen's decision to hold out from doing IR because she was holding out from anal as well. If Carter up to this point had just been doing regular WW/WM scenes and held out from IR, Anal, Gangbangs for 2 years. Would you honestly have had this big of an issue with her doing IR after those 2 years? How can you justifiably play both sides of the fence. [Link]