She's hot but not my type of stroke game, I don't play sword fights with that which mirrors me. 146 Posts 5/17
Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 5:59PM
I think only one person here is taking what I'm saying personal, and that somebody sure ain't me. But to keep a long explanation short, Belladonna, Jada Stevens, Tori Black etc were NEVER accused of being "dodgers" or "racists" in their active careers for good damn reason!!!!
Just because two people on the internet choose to say something doesn't mean it's a prevailing thought among people. They isn't really any large "damned if you do" contingent of people out there, there's just a very small (but vocal) minority who try to find things to bitch at towards every performer who isn't doing the exact scenes they want them to be doing over and over and over again. And this applies to more acts in porn than IR.
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Posted - Jun 19 2017 : 12:34AM
Lily Love expressed interest in working for blacked and follows blacked, Mandingo, and rob piper on twitter. A future scene maybe? https://mobile.twitter.com/jamesrandoll/status/870148036307148800
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Posted - Jun 19 2017 : 12:35AM
How about Kinmy Granger she expressed interest in Mandingo after Jessa Rhodes scene came out on twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/kimmygrangerxxx/status/861061452626509824
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Posted - Jun 19 2017 : 12:36AM
Has Riley Steele or Elena Koshka expressed any interest in doing interracial lately?
true. the anal worshippers do the same thing. I don't think most (white) people care one way or the other about ir. I bitch about it because I'm black. lol. I try to give these girls time but I'm becoming less patient with some of these 7, 8, 10 year hold offs. at that point for most of them it really is just a cash grab. it's probably a quick cash grab for some of them doing it the few years. I don't think they are all racists though but some of them, yes. which ones I don't know. so I refrain from throwing that word around. it's really just a few assholes harassing them 24/7. maybe they don't have a life outside of harassing pornstars about not doing ir and anal. who knows.
LOL only one person here personally attacked one of us , guess who? I fail to get the sense of your second phrase , you say that those doing IR from the start aren't called dodgers? is that so?
^^ right chessmaster, for the most part, I only stick to talking interracial because I am black. At the same time, I understand that I need to be open-minded of all requests for certain sites because we have to seek the best angle to get IR involved in the regular rotation I laugh when on certain sites member sections, fans complain that there isnt enough anal after going 1 week without an anal scene or that a scene ruined because it was a creampie and I'm like, I just want to see the girl fucking a black guy, it can be cookie cutter for about half the time and I wont complain. Reminds me of how on old dvds from the typical big companies, there would be a star-studded female lineup and maybe one no-name and of course the no-name got paired up with the black guy or the only interracial scene in a 6-7 scene movie was a dp or gangbang(I'm not a fan) and even then, some of those dp's had to be shared with a white guy All I can say, if I was white or a very fair skin Latino, I'd probably be broke from all the porn I can choose from to vicariously live out my fantasies
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Posted - Jun 20 2017 : 4:08AM
Vanilla = white porn. Your definition of vanilla is probably stuff from wicked. But to others it's the entirety of white porn And yes in white gonzo porn the physical violence is making a comeback. The name calling, slapping, spitting, choking, and foot on the head behavior has returned. As for white performers being fine doing scenes where the aforementioned behavior is present for their normal b/g fee but demanding double, triple or an even higher level of pay to work with someone with a darker skin color they're making it clear that they're irrational, financially ignorant, and racist.
^ Vanilla porn is soft , sweet porn as is most of feature porn including almost all of Misty Stone's scenes and as is almost everything at Blacked your misinterpreted or possibly completely made up definition which is very convenient to your set up baseless criticism toward those performers who wouldn't play any hard porn nor hard racial reference is yours and yours alone Edited by - LCF on 6/20/2017 5:35:38 PM
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She's hot but not my type of stroke game, I don't play sword fights with that which mirrors me. 146 Posts 5/17
Posted - Jun 21 2017 : 8:53AM
Like I said about you a few posts back, certain folks seem to dig a whole for themselves......while others.....ummm.....
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Posted - Jun 21 2017 : 8:56AM
I'd love to be white, and be that fly -on-the-wall, wouldn't it be awesome to be the bearer of the fairer hue?
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Posted - Jun 21 2017 : 8:59AM
White supremacy has a way of normalising human behaviour by the bearers of the fairer hue, while stigmatising human behaviour done by people they say look meaner and leaner (dark people).
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You're the one making it personal , you listed ME in the white supremacists bunch , I only explained why Balotelli is considered a moron , you accounted on me what happened to Balotelli in Nice (the hell should I know?) then what happened to Boateng in Germany about which I don't know shit also which one ? There are two Boateng out there , then you attached to me the responsability for what some did to a completely unknown to me player in Australia And still you say you don't get why I'm annoyed. I'd like to know why if a black man is a thief this doesn't allow anybody to blame an entire race with that to which I completely agree , and yet apparently if a some white guy is a racist then all of us are equally racists . Australia , really? Edited by - LCF on 6/21/2017 2:06:16 PM
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Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 3:44AM
I was raised believing that we can sleep with who we want. Now, we are being told who we sleep with must have approval from virtue-signaling SJWs. What a shame.
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Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 11:18AM
^Who are you responding to?
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Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 12:56PM
How do you know she's not? Serious question. Because she's been in porn 10 years, which is like 20 in porn years, and actively avoided even addresing the question. So it's clear she doesn't really want to do it. And honestly since her popularity peaked around 2009-2010 I don't see any reason for her to even do it at this point. And I saw that the Blair Williams conversation has been moved over here. So let me say on that issue that she's not like Alexis in her racial views and has apparently already filmed or will soon do a scene with Blacked.
Yeah I'm curious too, according to Mr Pete she's been raised by a mixed step-father along with her newly acquired relatives coming in all shades of black
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Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 5:36PM
^In addition to that, Mr. Pete said that Alexis has dated black men. Nikki Benz said the same. There's also video out there of Alexis having what seems to be a sexy good time with black men (linked to in her thread on p. 10 I think).
okay this is the deal, Alexis father is presumably half-Latino but those genes on his side of the family are strong and there is allegedly traces of African American in her relatives on that side as well now, it is rumored that her family will not condone her to shoot with black guys. I know the area in Texas she is from(as well as Rachel Starr a little further away) personally. I tried to be open-minded about the general stereotypes of old-west ideologies throughout Texas but they still exist to a visible extent. And in the areas these two live, exist some of the most conservative people you will find in the COUNTRY. I also read a WSJ or Forbes article about the most radical areas in the country and this area came up. Now despite that, it is still up to the performer to make her own decisions. And I feel that someone of her magnitude really shouldnt have any blowback unless her family or fanbase is that close-minded about skin color. Now Rachel Starr hides behind the guise of keeping high rates so directors wont even bother, she even used to argue for the Afro-Latinos like Carlos Correra counting as IR or pushing the whole "Veggie IR" mantra. Alexis has always been quiet on the topic it seems, making it hard to gauge her true intentions on this Now as I said, it's up to the performer, because Veronica Avluv comes from a relatively close area in Texas, Kleio Valentien is from the more liberal Austin area. Bree Olson and Kagney Linn Karter both frequented the Houston area. Jesse Jane is from North Texas and Rachel Roxx is from the San Antonio area. Then there are many other such as Julie Cash, Ava Addams, and Eva Angelina. But the performer chooses how they want to be portrayed
It's used as a step, career progression. For example, Holly Hendrix talked about working with Mandingo as her next step in the upcoming year. Note, I'm only referring to those who actually intend to work with black male performers, not anyone else. Edited by - NomnoMnOm on 7/26/2017 11:40:57 AM
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Posted - Jul 26 2017 : 1:53PM
I think the truth is, each girl has her own reasons. I'm sure some are far less valid than others, but my suspicion is fear is a major motivator, Fear of the size, fear of a new experience, and fear that someone they know wouldn't accept a nigga all up in those intestines! A poster above mentioned Rachael Starr. I think IR would be a good play for her and now that her bestie Alexis Fawx has appeared to ride the chocolate train, you would think Rachael is ready to put her caboose on the track, but I really get the impression that she flat out isn't into black guys. I won't call it a racial issue, it just feels (to me) that she looks at a black guy and isn't the least bit turned out. So, I say, "Thank you". I hate a forced scene and back in the 90's early 2000's when TJ Hart, Rebecca Love and select others compromised with Sledge Hammer, I found it both insulting and unsavory. Also, after a while, personally, I could give a fuck! Sara Jay have been a 20 year hold out on Anal, if she every did anal, I wouldn't watch it. When I look at people like Julia Ann, Janine and others that waited until the twilight of their career, I'm left with nothing but contempt for them and the fans that embrace that work. I feel like their selling out as well as every fan that rides the bandwagon. For the record, I wasn't excited or impressed with Nicole Aniston or Jinx Maze for Blacked. I think it was a paycheck for bother performers. I'll give Blacked credit for booking the two, but unlike Brandi Love and Brett Rossi, the scene lacked passion. There are new girls in the business every day and in most cases, you can find another talent that resembles a girl who doesn't do IR, anal or whatever your fetish is. I don't ever need to see Alexis Texas do an IR scene. That ass might be round, but the few scenes I've seen have informed me that performance isn't her strong suit. That said. Nikki Benz, Dianna Prince, Maddy O'reiley, Mason Moore, Karmen Karma, Phoenix Marie, Abella Danger and Channel Preston all went supernova when they did IR. But those are also stars that made me believe that fried chicken and watermelon was a good way to spend a Sunday.
Nicole has expressed on Twitter her desire to shoot another scene for BLACKED. Although, surely, people will still criticize the final product. And yes, it's their job. Of course the paycheck is a big deal.
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Posted - Jul 26 2017 : 2:37PM
100% agreed. I was just about to write that.
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Posted - Jul 26 2017 : 4:27PM
That's pretty irrelevant as her behavior speaks louder than her alleged ancestry or dating history. Also when we look at actual verificable evidence, what we know is that she pointedly refuses along with Rachel Starr to do such scenes. And since people are products of their environment, their racist upbringings likely had a big influence in their racial thinking. And gave them a warped view on things. Regardless of their thinking though, these 2 people, whose thinking is at odds with most performers now who don't discriminate, are part of the minority and for that reason really aren't in demand to do such scenes anymore. Also because of their careers having peaked more than 6 years ago when there would have been far more interest. On the topic of upbringing though, Nicole Aniston, years ago mentioned in an interview that her redneck family would flip if she did such scenes. So she didn't do them. Now maybe that was true or maybe it was an excuse but either way she didn't do them until she was rumored to have been offered $10,000+ to do a scene for Blacked. So perhaps the money changed her racial thinking or maybe she progressed enough by simply living in the world to leave behind her racist thinking. And the money was the extra incentive she needed to do such scenes. Either way though she's now part of the racially progressive group of performers in the industry.
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Posted - Jul 26 2017 : 5:29PM
Which does not tell us WHY they haven't done such scenes.Alexis Texas and Rachel Starr had racist upbringings? Please outline their racial thinking and tell us which specific views of theirs are warped.In your view, not shooting an IR scene because your family does not want you to is evidence of racist racial thinking?
Unless one's parents did not raise them, the views that their parents hold should have an impact on the views that the child holds. This transference of ideals from one's upbringing applies with things like religion, with things like political affiliation, as well as with more mundane things such as hobbies or sports preferences. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe that sexual attraction also is a thing that gets transferred. Of course, there are counterexamples to all those things, but by and large, a child's views are generally similar to their parents as one's parents are usually a formative experience for the child.
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Posted - Jul 26 2017 : 5:54PM
^Are you suggesting that if Nicole's parents are racist (and I don't know if they are or not), we should assume that Nicole as an adult is a racist too?
^^ It's possible. The degree to which she's "racist" or "racial" (which are different things, mind you) and the degree to which her parents are "racist" or "racial" can vary and because we know neither but only the fact that their family "doesn't want you to". It's possible that her family assume that shooting IR will lower her "market value" and leave her unable to get more work, which is a common myth. It's also possible that her family is just racist and doesn't want to see her with a black guy. We don't know the degree of which that exists in, only that it's somewhere between "racial" and "racist" lines. And like I said, there are counterexamples to that transference, but they do not break the logic. People are going to be different from their parents, but that is not to say that they do not take many similar views from their parents. Some views inevitably get changed or what not, as it's entirely possible for other influencers to change said views (such as one's friends, or one's coworkers, etc). But again, by and large, the views that one's parents and family hold, can and do shape a large part of their views.
Probably made a reply earlier in this thread, of course there are racism all all other sorts of nasty negative things in this industry. But porn girls are the queens over their own bodies, so really if some girl decides to do an interracial scene as her first scene in porn or chose to do it 4 yrs into her career. Any of those options should be respected. We as fans can't demand either or.
^ It is their choice, but at the same time, that doesn't mean that fans and audiences alike can't call out perceived racism from performers. It's difficult to determine as being overtly racist isn't common anymore but rather, the more subtle and covert racism is the more common approach to it. And unlike other "fetishes" like BDSM or Anal, IR is inherently racial. What this means is that the reasons for not doing IR, compared to reasons for not doing any of those other fetishes, are also inherently racial. Even financial "reasons" for not doing IR are inherently racial. And again, the line between "racial" and "racist" is very unclear as it's more of a spectrum than not. So what that all means is that the reasons that a performer give for not doing IR at the moment or not doing IR in the near or far future are almost always racial and at times can edge into being racist as well.
Yeah. But really wouldn't you agree that it's better that I girl decide to whole heartly venture into something weather it's bdsm, interracial, anal sex, dps, daps, gangbangs or whatever rather and like it. I mean with other things like anal I like those girls who start out doing it at once, but for some girls some things may take some times before they are ready whatever it is. So that has to get the utmost respect. I rather see a girl doing bdsm or interracial with her whole heart and enjoying it than seeing a girl pressured into doing whatever, wouldn't you agree on that one?
^ It's porn. We're here to see people fuck (or masturbate if that's your thing). Would it be better if IR wasn't a special category and girls and directors shot IR as they would any other "normal" or "vanilla" scenes and those performers performed with their heart & soul in it? Yes. But that's not reality. They're performers who fake orgasms, fake enjoyment, fake reactions, etc. Sometimes they don't, but usually they do. So what's wrong with asking them to fake it with a black guy?
^^ this is the main problem I have with dodgers and "the progression" scale. They create a false equivalency of a man with a different skin color being as demanding as having 30 inches of dick stuffed in them simultaneously. Someone like Holly Hendrix, I dont even pay attention to her, she's been ripped to shreds already and now may "entertain" the idea of shooting with a black guy? Yeah, miss me with that excuse that all black guys are too big to handle. Last I checked, Mick, Manuel, Kieran, Holmes are packing serious heat too Any girls with these mindset, I refuse to acknowledge, even if they do crossover. It's a major insult to those of color to see a girl go to hell and back with white guys but then need a 5 figure check to shoot some tame vag interracial scene
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Posted - Jul 27 2017 : 12:05AM
^^I don't know about them needing the check, but of course they want the check if it's available to them as part of their job, which is what porn is, a job, paid work.
^100% agreed. People tend to confuse marketing tactics for racism. It's not wholly different from sports athletes who hold out for heftier contracts, or demand juicier incentives.
^^ Porn is a business so I don't mind girls getting for more paper. However, that doesn't mean that it's morally right that IR is considered a fetish or that IR pays as well as gangbangs and BDSM. If it's a size thing, why haven't I ever seen any girl complain about not being paid enough to work with well endowed white guys? The other thing is that many girls who hold out for a "bigger payday" either quit the industry before that happens or go past their "prime" when it does. Bonnie Rotten for example, held out on doing IR so that she could do it for her site and presumably get a big payday off of that exposure. However, she got pregnant and left porn, as far as I know. On the flip-side, Jessa Rhodes held out and eventually did IR, but with breast implants. For people who don't mind, it was great, but for people who did, it was a disappointment. That's the double-edged sword of dodging for that long. On one hand, they do get paid more. On the other, many quit the industry before "cashing out" on that coveted first IR. In addition, if the payouts get as large as they were rumored for Nicole Aniston's first IR, then that'd only encourage more waiting and more flakes. Plus, it begs the question of how long do we wait until it becomes obvious that they're not actually interested in working with black guys for whatever non-financial reasons they give? ^ It's very different. Holding out for IR is almost always going to be race related, even financially. I have never heard of anyone hold out from signing a contract for a team because of race. When you boil it down, common reasons for signing/not signing for a team is based on location, their potential performance, the people and personnel of the team, etc. For holding out for IR, it's either because the guy is too big, their family wouldn't approve it, or it'd pay more to wait because IR pays better on account of the progression scale. Edited by - ISS on 7/27/2017 12:48:41 AM
Yeah, I would understand "too much to handle" were every black male performer the size of Julio Gomez, Dredd, and Mandingo, but scenes with black male performers are put in the extreme category, along with other acts that are treated as more extreme than 'normal' B/G scenes, no matter how large or small the black talent actually is. Nat Turnher is smaller than most men of other races, and so is Rico Shades(although Rico doesn't do mainstream shoots) but scenes with them are still treated as more extreme than 'normal' B/G scenes, nonetheless. If someone insinuates that a B/G PIV scene with Nat and Shades is as extreme as a scene with multiple non-black guys, anal, double penetration, double anal, triple penetration, et cetera, he/she is full of shit.
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Posted - Jul 27 2017 : 12:53AM
I've posted the following quote from Archangel director MimeFreak multiple times on this thread (pp. 25, 37 [twice], 47 and 49), and I think it's a good time to post it again.
And no one has to work with anyone they don't want to and everyone has the right to accept whatever price offer they receive. This does not negate some of things commonly said by performers about size, portrayal, presentation and actual intention(s) to work being utter bollocks. Edited by - NomnoMnOm on 7/27/2017 12:57:23 AM
I've posted the same example before referring to Bonnie Rotten, and she had the correct viewpoint of how the industry works. She did EVERY sort of scene imaginable and won performer of the year, so she wanted to save something special for a lucrative showcase. Nothing wrong with that. And I do think they're comparable. Of course with sports contracts it's not race related (I hope not anyway), but the concept of wrangling the largest sum is still similar. Porn has enabled IR to be viewed as a separate entity, and that's where I drew the comparison. I see no problem with performers being able to take advantage of that fact.
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Posted - Jul 27 2017 : 1:09AM
^^^^ and ^^^^^ In the very first post I quoted director Kevin Moore on the existence of "a financial incentive to wait and shoot IR for a bigger pay day" (emphasis added). I don't know why we're talking about dick sizes, which is nothing but a red herring. I suggest that what we should discuss instead is a business model that is driven by how IR is consumed on the market. The key words are: business, money, and career. Edited by - misspornUSA on 7/27/2017 1:09:41 AM
The concept isn't their fault, but adhering to it is. I don't blame them for getting paid more that way, as it is an industry, but they are still choosing to adhere to that old racist concept of IR being a fetish.
I've also seen performers express the belief that the sooner you work with black male talent, the sooner your career comes to an end, and for career longevity, it's best to hold off for as long as you can, if you DO intend to shoot with black men. I've also seen another performer say working with black men can "make or break your career". Now I don't have the numbers, so I don't know if these beliefs are generally true. There are, of course, examples of superstars shooting with black men early without it ruining their careers.
Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 5:59PM
