Stoya accuses James Deen of rape (page 12)

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sparrow55 Deactivated User 82 Posts 11/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 1:50PM I have thought long and hard about whether or not I wanted to release a statement regarding the accusations that Stoya has brought against James Deen. Due to the overwhelming amount of hate I’ve witnessed as well as personally received, I’ve decided to speak out. The only point of this is for me to vent as well as to provide a different perspective on the issue; this is not to be taken as proof one way or the other. Despite all stated below, anyone can be raped and anyone can be a rapist, no one deserves to be raped nor does anyone deserve to be falsely accused. I am just as shocked and upset at the accusations brought forward as everyone else. I have spent copious amounts of time with both of these people so it absolutely hits home to me. In my heart, I am also very torn on this situation. On one hand, I am a fervent feminist who believes in support and justice for all rape victims. On the other hand, I am someone who has been very involved in the personal lives of the two people in this situation and know first-hand of their behaviors. I have faced so much absurdity at the hands of Stoya and yet, I’m still somehow shocked at her accusation. I began working for Stoya and James Deen in mid-2013. Stoya and I did not get along in a business relationship, so she fired me. Not only did she fire me, but she told James that she wanted it to be very known that I had “fucked up” and that I was a despicable employee; she wanted me to feel awful and humiliated. I continued to work for James as he saw me as an incredible employee. She requested that we work with the door closed because she couldn’t stand to see my face. Of course, our constant joking around and talking lead her to believe that we were having sex, which is a false claim that she still spreads around. Despite me no longer working for Stoya, I still traveled with them to Sydney, Australia for a convention. This trip was an absolute nightmare. To start, Stoya took an absurd amount of pills (Xanax or Valium, I can’t remember) that she chased with red wine so she could sleep through the flight. When we arrived at the airport, James literally had to help her walk because she was so intoxicated. Throughout the trip she expected me to do things such as fetch her scotch, hold her jacket, and keep track of her schedule. This was all fine because I was happy to do anything to keep things civil and smooth on a trip 16 hours away from home. For the most part, things were fine… We pet wallabies and ate super delicious dumplings every night because she refused to eat anywhere else. James did press out of my hotel room because we didn’t want media to enter James and Stoya’s personal space. This of course led to another accusation of us having sex… In my hotel room that shared a paper-thin wall with theirs… With a bunch of press people in the room… And then there was the absolutely insane incident that still amazes me to this day. We were in traffic driving to the convention and my friend Jaiden (who is possibly the nicest person on the planet) was whistling in the front seat of the cab. Instead of doing the rational thing and asking him to stop, Stoya storms out of the cab in the middle of traffic, flips me off and spits at my window. It didn’t stop there… When James and Stoya got back from Japan, where they traveled from Sydney while I headed home, the erratic behavior continued. One day I was in the office (working with the door closed) and she was absolutely furious that I was there on a day when I typically wasn’t because we had been out of the country and had a ton of work to catch up on. So naturally, she threw a fit; a fit that involved stripping and threatening to light a cigarette in the foyer because she wanted to speak to James while he was on a business call. It was completely ridiculous and uncalled for. There are many, many stories of her irrational behavior ranging from punching a cat to threatening to falsely claim abuse to threatening to jump off the balcony. While I know that James has not been the best partner to his previous girlfriends before Stoya and many believe that his rough sex work is somehow a sign that he is an abuser, rape is absolutely out of his character. I never saw a single sign of abuse from James, witnessed any abuse from him, or saw anything that would have led me to believe that something was awry, except on the part of Stoya. My personal conversations with James constantly revolve around consent, boundaries, and respect, for partners or otherwise and we have built a company based on those same principles. While of course none of this means that the allegation is untrue, and this is upsetting to say, I find it very hard to believe and have serious doubts. I’m disappointed in the cyber lynch mob that is not only harassing James and his parents, but me as well. This is a rough and sickening situation for all involved; James and I have both been literally vomiting over this. I can ensure you that no one is taking these accusations lightly. Despite my great hope for James’s name to be cleared, all I truly want is for all parties to be at peace with their words and actions and move forward. Click to expand http://nevermorecollective.com/upset-and-plenty-of-vomit/ She is an assistant of Deen and former assistant of Stoya. Edited by - sparrow55 on 12/4/2015 2:29:12 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:05PM ^ attributing that would be nice. [Link]
White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:11PM DeadMan wrote: White1970DodgeChallenger wrote: This is a horrible story. Sadly, in the environment created by Sabrina Rubin Erdely's UVA rape hoax, it is more than possible that people will doubt a genuine victim of rape speaking out. Click to expand This is called poisoning the well, very well done, bring up something completely irrelevant to pretend that you are talking about the subject. Click to expand Not at all. This incident came to light *after* Sabrina Rubin Erdely's now very well-known and very well-discredited *Rolling Stone* rape "story"hoax, which has a lot of people asking, "If Sabrina Rubin Erdely can make up a story about rape and get a total of zero consequences as a result of doing so, why should I be ready and willing to believe the next woman who comes up and claims she was raped?" Erdely's hoax is what poisoned the well, since her fraud is what creates, or reinforces, doubts in some people's minds when a rape is reported to the public. Rape does occur. There is no such thing as "rape denialism/rape denialists," as some with an agenda have claimed. There is just an atmosphere wherein we do not know whether or not we should believe publicly made (as opposed to prosecutorially made) accusations of rape, thanks to Sabrina Rubin Erdely. Also, some very significant differences between the Stoya/Denn incident on the one hand and what happened to Cytherea and Christy Mack on the other are underscored here starting at 22:10. Again, I am not saying anything one way or another about the Stoya/Deen situation per se since I do not have enough information and I do not know enough of either of them to be in a position to comment on that situation with any authority. At the same time, it is no use sweeping under the rug the fact that false claims of sexual assault/harassment do indeed occur. One such claim of sexual assault/harassment was made against none other than extremely outspoken feminist icon Richard "the Dick Coughlan." Likewise, none other than another outspoken male feminist icon, Kevin Logan, has conceded that it is theroretically possible that women make false accusations of rape, especially when they accuse his fellow outspoken male feminists. [Link]
hattmat Member 9 Posts 7/14	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:14PM Edit-Sorry, double post Edited by - hattmat on 12/4/2015 2:15:35 PM [Link]

whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:16PM Flash wrote: ^ attributing that would be nice. Click to expand It's from Shay Ryan (an ex-performer who was/is helping him run his website and social media stuff). [Link]
guaje3344 Member 32 Posts 8/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:45PM Saw Greg Lansky said on a Reddit AMA he wouldn't be working with him again. From the other spectrum there is X-art's twitter going full retard with a series of polls from which ever slack-jaw runs their social media. [Link]
Dutchgangbangboys Member 927 Posts 8/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:47PM Ah, so an employee? [Link]
White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 2:57PM Julia Ann, a well-respected member of the industry, appeals for calm “I’m not calling anybody a liar,” Julia Ann said. “I’m saying we don’t know what the truth is at this point. “And let’s say nobody is lying and people just have different feelings on a situation.” “This is not a game, this is the destruction of lives,” Julia Ann said. “This isn’t just a hiccup in time. If we aren't close to the people involved we need to remain objective and not add to it getting out of control in the way it's being handled socially. “This has no business being prosecuted on Twitter, and those of us that weren’t there, i.e. all of us, need to not add to an already sad situation.” Ann continued, “Support whomever you want, believe whomever you want. But let’s just not spread more anxiety and drama. Even if someone’s found guilty, I’m still not sure what we all have won.” “I’m not on anybody’s side,” Ann reasoned. “… I don’t know who’s telling the truth but it’s also not my position in life. I’m not on this planet to figure out which one’s a liar. We’ve got other problems in the world. Yes, this is a problem, but I don’t understand how people can just see a sentence and say, ‘oh he's a rapist,’ or ‘she's a vengeful ex-girlfriend.’ How do we arrive at such definitive conclusions so quickly? “I don’t understand. Yes we should stand with victims, but we’re willing to possibly victimize one person in order to make sure we’re being politically correct to someone else. “Everybody’s a keyboard warrior. We have to support the possible victim because other women who might have been victims have to be able to come forward. But has anyone taken a moment to realize that if this isn’t true, you’ve victimized two people now?” Ann added, “The facts are all over the place. Not because of the key people but because social media is distorting things. I've been called by friends to talk about the so-called facts that are out there and they aren't even the things being said. “I don’t understand how we flip so fast. We go from, ‘we love James Deen’ to ‘he’s a fucking rapist and he’s blacklisted.’ Or we go from ‘we love Stoya’ to ‘she's a lying, angry ex-girlfriend.’ And then we have this hash tagging, #IStandWithStoya or #ISideWithJD. We are hash-tagging their lives. “We all need to sit back, lend our support to the situation and wait for the outcome and not fucking persecute either side. “This is like nuclear war—there’s no real winning side because no matter the truth we lose. Either way this is sad. People’s lives are being destroyed. “We can’t be wielding these Twitter and other social media swords so frivolously. And you better hope that you're never in their situation. I guess my whole point is its really sad to see the gravity of a situation like this and their lives being turned into a team sport thanks to social media.” Click to expand From Mike Quasar Thank God the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment to the Constitution has been replaced by Twitter!!!! Click to expand [Link]
klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 3:10PM guaje3344 wrote: Saw Greg Lansky said on a Reddit AMA he wouldn't be working with him again. From the other spectrum there is X-art's twitter going full retard with a series of polls from which ever slack-jaw runs their social media. Click to expand take these 3 scenarios: -he likes or is friends with James - In that case he will not say anything against James. -he is neutral - In that case too, I believe no person who is part of the industry will say anything against James. At most they would say - it is unfortunate. lets see what happens but instead he kind of attacked James. Except crazy fans, no neutral person who is part of the industry will make the kind of comment he had made. -he doesn't like James - which seems to be the case. (Pls don't counter that by saying James has worked for TUSHY) One thing I am sure of is that there is a lot of people in the industry who dislike/hate James. And most of them are not missing this golden opportunity to kick him when he is down. I think there should be some IQ or any other kind of test before people are allowed to sign up on twitter. Right now it is full of retards. Edited by - klies on 12/4/2015 3:12:26 PM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 3:17PM ^ those certainly aren't the only viable scenarios. You're implying that Lansky's personal feelings for Deen are the only thing that will dictate his behavior, and it is an utterly preposterous assertion. You might want to look up "False Dichotomy" As far as people kicking him while he's down... So? If they're lying then they are deplorable things to say, regardless. If the accusations are true, why the hell would it matter if they come out while he's "down?" Oh and nice work there complaining that people are anonymously casting aspersions on the internet as you anonymously cast aspersions about those people on the internet. [Link]
klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 3:27PM ^ sure there could be 1000 more scenarios. lets bring a psychologist(or whatever they are called...) in here. Also, At least I am not trying or helping in any way to destroy someone's life without knowing all the facts. That's the difference between them and me. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 3:37PM ^ You're never going to have "all the facts". What we have right now is, generally speaking, the facts we're going to have on the incidents that have already been alleged, outside of maybe someone else on set corroborating an incident (for example, and I said this earlier, but what I would assume is the most recent and last anal scene Kora Peters shot with James Deen, Tim Von Swine was supposedly part of the setup). At this point, it's up to you to choose who you want to believe. If you're going to choose to wait for more facts, then you're going to be waiting for a while, because many of these accusations have been made in such a way that there's not going to be any more facts or evidence outside of the testimonies of the people involved. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 12/4/2015 3:37:35 PM [Link]
klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 3:45PM ^ I have no problem with people believing what they want to believe based on what is out there. But please don't try to ruin someone's life only based on those "facts". Don't attack him on twitter like you are 100% sure that he really did what they are accusing him of. Just because this might not be proved in court and we might never get solid facts doesn't mean you should believe every word that comes out of the mouth of accusers. for me that is not enough to call someone a rapist. [Link]
White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 3:46PM What I have said above about UVA and other hoaxes/shaky claims aside, I believe there is truth to what has been said here, on Twitter and elsewhere about police "not doing anything/treating the victim like a criminal." Specifically, New York City and other police departments have been using this egg-head managment REMF-created wonder-toy officially named "CompStat," to "measure the level of crime in their city." IRL, street cops call CompStat "FUDGESTAT," because it has been diverted as a means of a ticket-punch to an Inspectorship/Deputy Commissionership by house mouse (police REMF) white shirt careerists who will advance to their next promotion if the mayor sees that "crime is low" in their area of responsibility. In 2010, the *Village Voice* interviewed and NYPD Officer, Adrian Schoolcraft, who told them that the white shirts (Lts, Captains, Inspectors) screamed at ordinary patrolmen who refused to "disappear" reports of certain crimes. Specifically, Two years ago, a police officer in a Brooklyn precinct became gravely concerned about how the public was being served. To document his concerns, he began carrying around a digital sound recorder, secretly recording his colleagues and superiors. Made without the knowledge or approval of the NYPD, the tapes—made between June 1, 2008, and October 31, 2009, in the 81st Precinct in Bedford-Stuyvesant and obtained exclusively by the Voice—provide an unprecedented portrait of what it's like to work as a cop in this city. They reveal that precinct bosses threaten street cops if they don't make their quotas of arrests and stop-and-frisks, but also tell them not to take certain robbery reports in order to manipulate crime statistics. The tapes also refer to command officers calling crime victims directly to intimidate them about their complaints. As a result, the tapes show, the rank-and-file NYPD street cop experiences enormous pressure in a strange catch-22: He or she is expected to maintain high "activity"—including stop-and-frisks—but, paradoxically, to record fewer actual crimes. Click to expand ONE OF THE MOST BASIC THINGS a police officer does is take crime complaints from victims. But that very simple edict evolved into something substantially different in the 81st Precinct. Usually, an officer arrives at a crime scene and begins taking information. Then, either on the scene or at the precinct, the officer fills out a report known as a "61" and presents it to the desk officer, a sergeant, for his signature. After the sergeant classifies the crime, the 61 is then entered into a computer system, making it official, and it's passed on to the detective squad for investigation. Police veterans say their standard was always, "Refer the complaint, not the complainant." In other words, if someone wants to make a report, you take it, and let the squad check it out. It was the squad's job to determine whether the complainant's story was worth checking further. In the 81st Precinct, that traditional discretion of a street cop was being taken away from them, the tapes indicate. There was constant second-guessing and questioning of crime complaints and crime victims before cases were ever entered into the computer. The message to street cops was to exercise extreme skepticism with crime victims—unless you didn't mind getting yelled at. Click to expand One very way to combat the very real crime of rape/sexual assault is as follows: 1) write and keep writing your mayor/city councilman/county executive/elected sheriff/state representative/Governor/whoever controls the Parks Police and any other federal police that engage in patrol 2) tell them all to issue direct orders, in writing to every and all police chief/commissioner/deputy commissioner/assistant deputy commissioner/superintendent/inspector/captain/lieutenant/sergeant in their jurisdiction to fully investigate each and every single rape accusation made REGARDLESS of ANY impact fully investigating each and every single rape accusation made may have on the CompStat numbers/the City or County or State's image, or tourism. [Link]

fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:04PM "Chanel Preston Issues Statement on James Deen Allegations: APAC Chair, President says she and Deen 'are involved' " (AVN today) [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:07PM "Stoya Breaks Silence on James Deen Rape Allegation: Adult star tells The Guardian 'If I don't say it now, then, when am I?' " (AVN) "How Stoya took on James Deen and broke the porn industry's silence" (The Guardian) From The Guardian piece: [She was in San Francisco when it happened, Stoya said. She and Deen were not at work. I asked her what words she would use to describe it now. “If you hold someone down and fuck them while they say ‘no’ and ‘stop’ and use their fucking safeword, that is rape. But when it first happened, I felt numb. And I went to work the next day. And I went to work the day after that. And I did a scene with him two days after, maybe three days after, I’m not sure. Then I felt like I’d been violated by someone I trusted.” She said this was relationship violence. She said she would try to bring it up with him: what happened, what had he been thinking? He would tell her, she said, that her tears were “abusive”. “It took me months and months and months,” she said, “over a year of months to be able to be able to call it what it was – which was rape.”] Edited by - fu_q on 12/4/2015 4:16:56 PM [Link]
Sexy Sadie All-Star Member I came to turn on everyone 978 Posts 6/10	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:21PM I can understand the reasons why Stoya used Twitter rather than going to the 'Proper Authorities', but, that being said... Twitter is a crime against humanity. [Link]
TrumanBurbank Deactivated User 890 Posts 2/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:42PM She did a scene with him after the "incident" too? WTF? [Link]
Kek Member 24 Posts 7/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:42PM There's nothing wrong with twitter. Used how it should be used, it's brilliant. Using it do throw out accusations of this severity... well, that's just full-metal retardation. [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:44PM klies wrote: ^ sure there could be 1000 more scenarios. lets bring a psychologist(or whatever they are called...) in here. Also, At least I am not trying or helping in any way to destroy someone's life without knowing all the facts. That's the difference between them and me. Click to expand So, you get to present your scenarios and that's it? End of discussion? You're no better than all of the people on twitter that you continue to cast aspersions upon. Get off your high horse. But maybe you're right. Maybe all of those industry people are just going to make their business decisions based on whether they like Deen or not. Great news for him as that means his career should be completely unaffected by this incident, guilty or not. [Link]
pervybrit50 Deactivated User 473 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:49PM Oh boy-Deen was overseeing porn stars safety on set? Now his girlfriend has taken over for him? Like when Ted Bundy was answering calls for the rape crisis centre. [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:55PM Hardware wrote: klies wrote: what about someone who has NOT been raped and can't prove her words because she hasn't been raped says to the world that she's been raped then is she not a bully? Click to expand Let's go to the dictionary: Bully: noun, plural bullies. 1. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people. 2. Archaic. a man hired to do violence. 3. Obsolete. a pimp; procurer. 4. Obsolete. good friend; good fellow. 5. Obsolete. sweetheart; darling. verb (used with object), bullied, bullying. 6. to act the bully toward; intimidate; domineer. I'm not seeing it. Click to expand Accusations that can easily ruin someone's life doesn't strike you as intimidating? Lives have been ruined time and time again over social media. In this case, we're seeing the consequences immediately. You've heard of the bully pulpit right? He's being pilloried as we speak and it's not going to stop any time soon. Maybe he deserves it. Maybe he doesn't. We don't know, but it's happening whether he likes it or not. I'm sure some would be eager to reply it's only fair, and how this is a fitting revenge. Do we know she never inflicted pain on him during sex? How do we know the incident she tweeted about wasn't his idea of a fitting revenge? Every feud devolves into, well he did this, but she did this, then he did this, and she did this. Who can decide where it began? This is why I cannot approve of revenge. Justice is not revenge. And I am still of the mind that he may very well deserve all of this flack. He may honestly deserve worse for all we know. But I'm not assuming anything here as the end-all fact. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:55PM sparrow55 wrote: There are many, many stories of her irrational behavior ranging from punching a cat to threatening to falsely claim abuse to threatening to jump off the balcony. Click to expand [Link]
Sexy Sadie All-Star Member I came to turn on everyone 978 Posts 6/10	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 4:57PM Kek wrote: There's nothing wrong with twitter. Used how it should be used, it's brilliant. Using it do throw out accusations of this severity... well, that's just full-metal retardation. Click to expand The benefits are trivial; the harm is not. [Link]

Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:00PM leatherface wrote: Melvyn wrote: leatherface wrote: Melvyn wrote: hattmat wrote: Lisa Ann defends James Deen Lisa Ann-BuzzFeed Click to expand Strong words from Ann, the most popular porn star of the last decade. “James doesn’t want to lose his whole career over a girl, so if we all just take a step back and try and put some common sense into play, this seems like some bitter girls lashing out publicly instead of doing it the right way. If you’re a real activist, a feminist, a believer, you would go to the appropriate groups.” “I can’t stand by them publicly shaming,” she added. “This is bullying. This is public shaming until it’s actually proven.” Click to expand so if someone who can't prove her words (how could she do that) and has been raped says to the world that she's been raped she's a bully? What Lisa Ann here is saying is basically: I believe him. Click to expand Aren't those siding with Stoya saying they believe her? Click to expand Probably, but the point is (and it seems we both agree on this) is that the fact that she said what she said on twitter (and it must be remembered that she said it after reading someone mentioning him as a feminist) isn't NECESSARILY something that should be blamed or "shameful" as Lisa Ann describes it. That is shameful only thinking (as she seems to believe) that he is innocent. Click to expand Yeah I agree with that. I was just saying many people are also only assuming Stoya's being completely honest. I think Lisa is taking a risk here with her statement, and an even lengthier post she put up on Facebook, in which I fear she may have to packpedal a bit. But she's a very strong character and doesn't seem like the bending type. [Link]
pervybrit50 Deactivated User 473 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:13PM White1970DodgeChallenger wrote: This is a horrible story. Sadly, in the environment created by Sabrina Rubin Erdely's UVA rape hoax, it is more than possible that people will doubt a genuine victim of rape speaking out. Rape does happen. Now Senator Mairia Cahill of Ireland was raped by a member of the IRA and her rape was covered up by Gerry Adams (who also covered up his pedo brother Liam raping his own daughter) and the rest of the IRA. I was never a big fan of either Deen or Stoya, so I can't say I have followed them enough to form any kind of opinion on who is correct in between the two of them. That being said, Amber Rayne was one of the most solid people in the industry before she retired after filming *Wanted* for Stormy Daniels. What she has tweeted over the past couple of days is revealing for, not only her words, but her nuances: I was not sexually assaulted. I was in a scene that was unnecessarily brutal and left me injured...It was an isolated incident I was not raped. People were assuming that I was amongst those who were. I was involved 9 years ago in a scene that became I only said something to debunk the rumor. I want no attention from this. End of subject. I didnt want anyone thinking he had raped me cause he never did anything of the sort&figured telling the truth would be better Matured and we're past that incident. have never seen him as a bad person and that one time aside very much liked working I have no further involvement with anywhere this goes from here I will never condone it and am so conflicted on everything going on. Hence why I haven't commented further than straightening Also of interest are a couple of things tweeted by Lexi Belle who is a) not exactly an unknown/barely known in the industry, and b) not someone with an axe to grind or known to habitually involve herself in feuds If you were assaulted....why wouldn't you call the police...when it happened? I believe in standing up for yourself. But there is not such thing as Twitter police. Click to expand Problem with this is she says Deen punched her in the face-that is a physical assault. She says he then rammed his dick in her ass so hard she bled & it put her in the hospital for weeks-that even if not rape as they were doing an anal scene is at the very least sexual assault. Chico Wang was the director-well a year later he murdered his porn actress girlfriend before committing suicide, he probably enjoyed seeing that shit. Rayne obviously has issues-she is on friendly terms with the guy who did this to her, all messed up. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:19PM ^ She's on friendly terms with him because she doesn't believe he did it out of ill intent, just inexperience (the point of the scene was to be rough, and because he was new, he wasn't aware of how rough he could or should be). And because she says that every experience she had with him after that one went very well. You can call her naive or too trusting if you'd like, but I wouldn't jump to immediately saying that something is wrong with her. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:26PM pervybrit50 wrote: Oh boy-Deen was overseeing porn stars safety on set? Now his girlfriend has taken over for him? Like when Ted Bundy was answering calls for the rape crisis centre. Click to expand Chanel's been the president of APAC for well over a year. James was chairperson. Chanel's taken that role now as well. Conner Habib is Vice President, Veruca James is treasurer and Ela Darling is secretary. "APAC's mission is to support the safety, happiness, and well-being of individual performers, and our community." [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:32PM ^ They're probably just going to ask Chanel to resign at this point, even though she's done absolutely nothing wrong, just to avoid facing a backlash. Though the ironic thing is that, IIRC, they actually asked Stoya to be on the board when forming the APAC and she declined. [Link]
pervybrit50 Deactivated User 473 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:38PM whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ She's on friendly terms with him because she doesn't believe he did it out of ill intent, just inexperience (the point of the scene was to be rough, and because he was new, he wasn't aware of how rough he could or should be). And because she says that every experience she had with him after that one went very well. You can call her naive or too trusting if you'd like, but I wouldn't jump to immediately saying that something is wrong with her. Click to expand Only problem is he had been around for 2 years-he wasn't some newbie in his first scene. Seriously if some guy hit you in the face then made your ass bleed on purpose & put you on the shelf for some time then meaning you lose money you wouldn't want anything to do with them. She has one of those attacker empathy deals going on & is making excuses for him [Link]
pervybrit50 Deactivated User 473 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:41PM whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ They're probably just going to ask Chanel to resign at this point, even though she's done absolutely nothing wrong, just to avoid facing a backlash. Though the ironic thing is that, IIRC, they actually asked Stoya to be on the board when forming the APAC and she declined. Click to expand Either she dumps him or resigns/is fired-how can you have somebody on a board for performers safety who is dating a guy where woman after woman are saying he sexually assaulted, physically assaulted or raped them? The fact the guy who behaviour was the 'worst kept secret in porn' was allowed to be on this board shows what a joke it is. [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:52PM DeadMan wrote: White1970DodgeChallenger wrote: This is a horrible story. Sadly, in the environment created by Sabrina Rubin Erdely's UVA rape hoax, it is more than possible that people will doubt a genuine victim of rape speaking out. Click to expand This is called poisoning the well, very well done, bring up something completely irrelevant to pretend that you are talking about the subject. By your logic, isn't bringing up Cosby a better reference because there were multiple victims and more corroboration than a total hoax of a story where the intent was different? Nice try though, studying up on fallacies has really helped me spot the kind that you used. Click to expand He's not asserting an ad hominem against anyone. The reference he made is hardly irrelevant, because the very topic pertains to our belief. There's reasons to believe, and reasons to be skeptical. Early on people were already talking about probability of rape versus probability of false accusation. From the beginning I've said I am inclined to believe her, and I maintain this position. But it's not poisoning the well to keep other possibilities and precedents in mind. And what he said isn't only factual, it's important. Because of hoaxes, people do doubt genuine cases, and it is sad. Sad is an opinion, but I think everyone on both sides can agree with this much. No, poisoning the well would be like going after Stoya personally with either bad info, or possibly even true info that is still not pertinent. But because the very nature of this discussion leads us to speculate, pretty much any and everything to do with rape is pertinent, and yes, bringing up the Cosby story is fair game too, which has already been done. I think claiming poisoning the well is a bit reactionary. Poisoning the well is accusatory or attacking. It would have been more like muddying the waters in this case with Dodge, and yet that also doesn't quite work because he's not simply adding irrelevant info. It's very relevant. I still think the Cosby case is worse because he was accused of drugging women. IMO that's worse. There's just something incredibly low about that. Even low by comparison to rape which it already is. I know that might sound weird, but I have the deepest personal contempt for drugging someone. But back to the Lisa Ann thing, since we brought Cosby up again, the "he has sex so much sex already why would he rape" thinking could also be said of Cosby. He's so rich and powerful, why would he resort to drugging women? So many women out there less than half his age would be throwing the pussy at him. But that seems to be the case, which is even more despicable that he'd resort to drugging them. Did you guys see this? I wonder if it poisons the well for the Cosb: Cosby's Secret BBQ Sauce [Link]
Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:07PM "threatening to light a cigarette in the foyer" [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:32PM Kek wrote: There's nothing wrong with twitter. Used how it should be used, it's brilliant. Using it do throw out accusations of this severity... well, that's just full-metal retardation. Click to expand this comment means only that you believe that James Deen is innocent, plain and simple. [Link]

Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:34PM Well that was a heck of a first week. [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:41PM whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ They're probably just going to ask Chanel to resign at this point, even though she's done absolutely nothing wrong, just to avoid facing a backlash. Click to expand In all honesty, it would make sense for her to recuse herself from this matter and all related items. People won't be able to help but question her objectivity, and the integrity of the organization might well be put at risk. (...and this from a huge Chanel Preston fan who hold nothing but respect for her...) Edited by - fu_q on 12/4/2015 6:47:10 PM [Link]
manish88 Deactivated User 55 Posts 5/13	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:43PM leatherface wrote: Kek wrote: There's nothing wrong with twitter. Used how it should be used, it's brilliant. Using it do throw out accusations of this severity... well, that's just full-metal retardation. Click to expand this comment means only that you believe that James Deen is innocent, plain and simple. Click to expand ' No, it doesn't. Even if it does nothing wrong in that, when most of the comments in here mean that they believe James Deen is guilty. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:47PM I didn't seem to get how that ex employee thinks that because Stoya was a drugged out and shitty boss (part of her story telling), that means there was no rape. Even drug addicts and criminals can be victims of rape and still deserve the right to talk about it. What a mess this has turned into. Which is more dysfunctional; the James Deen stories or the Charlie Sheen stories. hard to pick. [Link]
sparrow55 Deactivated User 82 Posts 11/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:51PM She keeps pinning the tweet promoting the site and removing it. She can do interviews with guardian. But she just cannot file a police complaint ? https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=stoya [Link]
sparrow55 Deactivated User 82 Posts 11/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:56PM Canadian_Cindy wrote: Canadian_Cindy wrote: I didn't seem to get how that ex employee thinks that because Stoya was a drugged out and shitty boss (part of her story telling), that means there was no rape. Even drug addicts and criminals can be victims of rape and still deserve the right to talk about it. Strange this person would write a piece defending Deen by claiming how shitty of a boss someone else was. What a mess this has turned into. Which is more dysfunctional; the James Deen stories or the Charlie Sheen stories. hard to pick. Click to expand Click to expand Did you read it completely ? She portrays her as an unstable woman prone to crazy behavior. She even said this While I know that James has not been the best partner to his previous girlfriends before Stoya and many believe that his rough sex work is somehow a sign that he is an abuser, rape is absolutely out of his character. I never saw a single sign of abuse from James, witnessed any abuse from him, or saw anything that would have led me to believe that something was awry, except on the part of Stoya. My personal conversations with James constantly revolve around consent, boundaries, and respect, for partners or otherwise and we have built a company based on those same principles. While of course none of this means that the allegation is untrue, and this is upsetting to say, I find it very hard to believe and have serious doubts. Click to expand [Link]
jeffandersonn Deactivated User 1605 Posts 3/13	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:05PM i completely believe what deen's assistent said. Too much details to be a fake story. i Knew Stoya was crazy lol.... [Link]
DeadMan Member On the hedonic treadmill 31 Posts 4/08	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:05PM sparrow55 wrote: She keeps pinning the tweet promoting the site and removing it. She can do interviews with guardian. But she just cannot file a police complaint ? https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=stoya Click to expand Because complaints like that go nowhere, it's all he said, she said and she said and she said. And now it's not just her, there is plenty of evidence that this guy has boundary issues, plenty of pornstars hve come forward with their stories. His career is over, James Deen is done. [Link]
White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:06PM pervybrit50 wrote: Problem with this is she says Deen punched her in the face-that is a physical assault. She says he then rammed his dick in her ass so hard she bled & it put her in the hospital for weeks-that even if not rape as they were doing an anal scene is at the very least sexual assault. Chico Wang was the director-well a year later he murdered his porn actress girlfriend before committing suicide, he probably enjoyed seeing that shit. Rayne obviously has issues-she is on friendly terms with the guy who did this to her, all messed up. Click to expand pervybrit50 wrote: whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ She's on friendly terms with him because she doesn't believe he did it out of ill intent, just inexperience (the point of the scene was to be rough, and because he was new, he wasn't aware of how rough he could or should be). And because she says that every experience she had with him after that one went very well. You can call her naive or too trusting if you'd like, but I wouldn't jump to immediately saying that something is wrong with her. Click to expand Only problem is he had been around for 2 years-he wasn't some newbie in his first scene. Seriously if some guy hit you in the face then made your ass bleed on purpose & put you on the shelf for some time then meaning you lose money you wouldn't want anything to do with them. She has one of those attacker empathy deals going on & is making excuses for him Click to expand Amber Rayne recently addressed Hailey Page and Chico Wang as follows: sadly yes... Hailey was my good friend. Her death broke my heart Click to expand I do not know Amber Rayne personally. That being said, I have been a fan of hers for over a decade now, in the sense of both her adult entertainment work and her social media postings. She is a very multi-talented person who excels at a number of things outside of the adult industry, as well as someone who has a reputation for being thoroughly professional and kind-hearted. As far as her having "issues" and "attacker empathy," she regularly flips off/disses assholes who give her any kind of shit on social media. She has never, as far as I can tell, been hesitant to call an asshole an asshole. Just because she is not drama-prone as many performers in the pre-Measure B era were does not mean she is any kind of pushover. This right here says a lot about the person that is Amber Rayne. Not exactly the poster child for Stockholm syndrome. [Link]
DeadMan Member On the hedonic treadmill 31 Posts 4/08	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:08PM He's not asserting an ad hominem against anyone. The reference he made is hardly irrelevant, because the very topic pertains to our belief. There's reasons to believe, and reasons to be skeptical. Click to expand 1. Never said it was an ad hominem. 2. The reference is irrelevant because we are not discussing topics about beliefs. 3. Be skeptical, but being skeptical doesn't mean that one can push logical fallacies. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:10PM fu_q wrote: whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ They're probably just going to ask Chanel to resign at this point, even though she's done absolutely nothing wrong, just to avoid facing a backlash. Click to expand In all honesty, it would make sense for her to recuse herself from this matter and all related items. People won't be able to help but question her objectivity, and the integrity of the organization might well be put at risk. (...and this from a huge Chanel Preston fan who hold nothing but respect for her...) Edited by - fu_q on 12/4/2015 6:47:10 PM Click to expand I wish that I thought it would be that simple. I feel like people are going to argue that because she's involved with him, she can't take the advocacy of performers that are against him seriously, and they'll ask her to step down from all duties. Which doesn't seem fair to me, because it reduces her to being "James Deen's girlfriend" instead of being "Chanel Preston, female performer", but I just don't think you can get away from how bad the optics of it looks if she's involved with the executive board in any capacity right now. [Link]
White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:12PM DeadMan wrote: sparrow55 wrote: She keeps pinning the tweet promoting the site and removing it. She can do interviews with guardian. But she just cannot file a police complaint ? https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=stoya Click to expand Because complaints like that go nowhere, it's all he said, she said and she said and she said. Click to expand That is often, sadly, but not universally the case Edited by - White1970DodgeChallenger on 12/4/2015 7:13:45 PM [Link]
DeadMan Member On the hedonic treadmill 31 Posts 4/08	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:12PM Not at all. This incident came to light *after* Sabrina Rubin Erdely's now very well-known and very well-discredited *Rolling Stone* rape "story"hoax, which has a lot of people asking Click to expand What is this Fox News? 'lot of people asking'. I bet though that believing any of the Bill Clinton rape stories is much easier for many guys here! And I am well aware of the story, it was a complete hoax and they are very rare. A pattern has been established with Deen (and something one could have very well have guessed noticing his behavior in the videos) and has been corroborated. This is Bill Cosby type story, not Sabrina Erdely kind. [Link]
JonathanLocke Member "I drank what?" - Socrates 18 Posts 12/15	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:18PM Here's some more anonymous testimonials in favor of James Deen to further muddy the waters on this issue: So let's talk about James Deen. -------- First, do no harm. [Link]
White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:23PM DeadMan wrote: 2. The reference is irrelevant because we are not discussing topics about beliefs. Click to expand We are discussing a rape/sexual assault being reported publicly in the very near aftermath of Sabrina Rubin Erdely's hoax, which makes that hoax part of the climate that rape/sexual assault in being publicly reported in, and which thus makes Erdely's hoax relevant, as is the fact that football player Jameis Winston is suing the woman who accused him of rape and is considering suing CNN for defamation, as is the fact that the man who Emma Sulkowicz alleges raped her is suing not only Sulkwowicz, but also Columbia University for going along with Sulkowicz. Edited by - White1970DodgeChallenger on 12/4/2015 7:24:24 PM [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 7:24PM ^^^^^Leave of absence, perhaps? (Maybe it's just splitting hairs at that point...) Edited by - fu_q on 12/4/2015 7:24:28 PM [Link]