Yep to be clear. You were mistaken. The rapes by Gerrys brother occured between 1977 and 1982. As your timeline confirms the earliest Gerry is speculated to have had knowledge is 1987. Regardless of what happened subsequently Gerry Adams did not have knowledge or give his blessing to the rapes.
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As a matter of interest, Ben Mockridge, why the spirited defense of Gerry Adams? Are you a Sinn Fein/IRA member/sympthizer, by any chance?
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Why the spirited defence of Gerry Adams? Well the motivation behind defending someone wrongly accused presumably needs no explanation. Having read all your posts (in this topic) why was Gerry Adams the only innacuracy i challenged ? Well simply speaking , there may be others but the innerworkings of the porn industry and who said what on twitter are not something i woud know were truth or lie, and consequently any untruths would blissfully pass under my radar. But Gerry i knew that was untrue. I hope you appreciate that correcting the misrepresentation was the right thing to do.
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Mairia Cahill made rape statement/complaint to police in 2010 before the 2014 trial of Liam Adams so your idea of her suppresing the memory until it all came back during the 2014 trial of Liam Adams doesnt stack up. And for the record, she withdrew her complaint and the prosecution collapsed. Gerry Adams maintains that he encouraged her to go to the police , which she finally did in 2010.
Yeh seems to me that LA porn is pretty well hamstrung already compared to overseas and the forces that would decimate it further are just waiting their time. http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-12-09/calosha-investigating-james-deen-porn-productions-for-serious-workplace-health-and-safety-violations/ Inhouse squabbling in public (on twitter fgs) is the last thing the biz needs. Sexual assault/abuse claims from within the industry is basically loading the ammo in the gun and pointing it at the industry and all Dines and Lubben have to do is pull the trigger.
no, it's too good to see persons like you who instead of doing any other activity seems they are forced to read a topic on internet. It's like "stop the topic, or I could not stop reading it, please!" Really, it's priceless. I love this kind of absurdity.
I read some of the posts of this topic and all I can say is you discussed something endless and without results.And a lot of you have been off topic.30 pages of nothing congrats!!!Keep it up you make me laugh Edited by - epistimonas on 12/20/2015 7:40:37 AM Edited by - epistimonas on 12/20/2015 7:44:52 AM
congratulations to you, there's something special in someone who keeps reading 30 pages of what he consider nothing and asks to close a topic instead of just going or doing anything else as normal persons usually do.
There is a distinction you may not be grasping here. James Deen stands accused on Twitter of wrongdoing. Other than that, he has no record of political affiliation or criminal acts. Gerry Adams is a leader of a terrorist organization, Sinn Fein/IRA. It is as legitimate to question why anyone would defend him as it is to question why anyone would defend Osama Bin Laden or Al-Bagdadi, since that is exactly what Gerry Adams is.
Without the hashtag, the public would not have known about the president's alleged wrongdoing (in reality, he was investigating the incident.)An incident like this could serve as a Reichstag Fire excuse for Dines/Lubben and their Democratic and Republican supporters to suppress the industry.If I understand correctly, a very large number of people get their news today from their social media feeds, hence why the network news have cut back, hence why CNN is only 1/2 news, and is 1/2 70's/whales docuntentaries, Lisa Ling hanging out with 1%ers and Anthony Bourdain.
You are aware that, unlike James Deen, Jameis Wilson, Paul Nungesser and all other men who have been extrajudicially accused of wrongdoing, Gerry Adams is a known terrorist leader, right? Put it this way. If someone accused Osama Bin Laden or Al Bagdadi or Jihad Johnny or the murderers of Lee Rigby or Syed Farook of covering up rape, would you defend them so vigorously? Or do you think that Gerry Adams is somehow different from these other terrorists? There is a reason I ask all of this. In the United States, particularly in Boston and New York, there are people who view Gerry Adams and the IRA as no different from George Washington. Before you make any further remarks defending Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein/IRA, you should be advised that the US State Department regards them as terrorists.
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I guess we can add [ invalid url ] to the list of logical fallacies and poor debate tactics in the thread. You can paint people as terrorist sympathizers all you want but just because they are guilty of terrorism doesn't mean you can simply invent other crimes to pin on them simply to further your own agenda. It's one thing to have a back and forth about something where the truth will likely never be known (Deen and Stoya for instance) but another thing entirely for you to completely fabricate lies about someone when it is obvious that you are wrong. And let's be very clear... you were absolutely wrong in your previous assertions. A civil person would admit to their mistake and move on. Instead you chose to attack the person that proved you were wrong, which last I checked isn't the sort of behavior that passes as acceptable around here.
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^ Thanks Murdoch.
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The website that you link to ; US State Department roster of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations and Delisted Foreign Terrorist Organizations includes no mention of Gerry Adams , Sinn Fein or the IRA. Sinn Fein is the second largest political party in NI politics. It is a legitimate political party not a terrorist organisation. Gerry Adams is its leader. Do you have any substantiation for your claim that the US State Department regards them as terrorists ? Or is it another unfortunate case where it seems you are wrong.
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Posted - Dec 20 2015 : 11:31PM
Amazing how it went from rape to terrorist talk in here, these threads change subjects faster than mods editing or deactivating new members accounts sometimes.
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Posted - Dec 20 2015 : 11:41PM
well, you seem to be unable to stop reading it.... why is that? Generally if I don't like a topic or a thread, I just don't enter it. Why should the people who want to post in the thread suffer a lock because you can't stop yourself from reading it? We are not here to compensate for your lack of self control.
so the big december 17 has come and gone with a whimper deen is back posting on twitter like nothing happened wonder when he will start shooting again....
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quite soon I am sure. This is porn, unless he is behind bars, he can make a buck.
^ Yeah, I can't see someone hiring him right now, but I would be surprised if he wasn't shooting for himself within the next week or two. Unless she comes out with more specifics in terms of her story, I don't see any resolution coming. My question is whether or not he's gonna go to AVN, since in the press release for Brett Rossi's comeback it says that Stoya will be there.
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 7:02AM
Well that was faster than I expected but like I said in a previous post with a bit of time and with competent marketing he would be back as if nothing happened or at least people will have forgotten it. I know other's keep bringing up the fact that the allegation in this case was more problematic than usual since it was of a sexual nature and involved sex work but with the right help that can easily be turned into a minor stumbling block instead of a ball and chain. Either the allegations against him are way overblown or he knows he has nothing to worry about because blabbering away on Twitter is the worst thing you can do if you are trying to hide something since everyone always ends up saying something they later regret! Actually, his first tweet back is actually a pretty accurate description of what Twitter is for those that just don't get it and why it's addictive to some and why people put out stuff they are better off keeping to themselves! "it feels good to be back on the twitter, I missed having an outlet for all my random nonsensical thoughts"-James Dean on Twitter Edited by - daviangel on 12/21/2015 7:17:10 AM
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 7:09AM
The smart thing IMO would be to avoid the spotlight for the time being to give this time to blow over. On the other hand it might be in his best interest to keep acting like his normal cocky self and show up and act like nothing ever happened or anything is different than any other year? Anyways, it will be quite awkward unless he had some sort of written contract aka Charlie Sheen with his girlfriend that said she wouldn't say anything bad about him or she wouldn't be seeing a penny or something. Also, from what I've been able to figure out if they are both going to continue in this business and keep working together it would be in both their interests to be on their best behaviour torwards each other if they both show up?
I can imagine this kind of thing happening between amateurs who are just having sex on their own. But my impression is that professional sex-workers in porn are supposed to talk about it and agree what they are going to do, before they do it. Their relationship is based on business. Which means that they are supposed to trade and exchange openly with each other, rather than sneak around and try to do something without a prior agreement of the other. In business, this kind of behavior is called cheating, or at least an attempt to cheat. When a professional guy behaves in an unprofessional manner, then this is a reason in itself to kick the guy out of the industry.
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 7:31AM
Well methinks they'd like to think they are acting professional most of the time but I've seen enough behind the scenes and other random postings around here that this isn't always the case. Actually, there was a scene I saw and posted about a while back with Ashley Fires where she is doing a DP and the guys bring up the subject of double anal and she says something like maybe one day and the guy goes ahead and tries to stick it in anyways for a double anal but she isn't having any of that and quickly slaps the guy away before he gets it in! They go back to normal DP after that. Can't remember the guys at the moment but I thought that was pretty unprofessional.
^ What you see on film might be a part of the act, rather than a real disagreement. Because these people are actors who are supposed play some roles and make it look hot for the viewer. This kind of scenario might actually be hot for some porn-fans to watch. Because it's like the lady is teasing you and the guys by saying "Maybe" at first and then changing her mind and saying "No!" at the last possible moment and pushing the guy away. I actually would like to see a porn-scene like this. Because the lady is interacting with guys, rather than just being passive in a boring kind of way. This kind of interaction between the lady and her guys makes the whole scene more interesting to watch.
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 7:48AM
That that might've been the case in this scene since she finished the scene without a problem other than that instance where it might've also been accidental since it doesn't actually make it in but positioned next to other dick that is already in the ass.
I write from Italy, and some days ago I heard an interview with Valentina Nappi who said she thinks Deen is a complete moron and acts like a stupid child, she made a scene with him and could feel his hands more than his cock. She also said she had to slap him in his face a couple of times to make things clear. But she also said that he defenda him, since every woman working with him took the money and didn't report his behaviour. If you still doubt he's a moron, then watch his scene with Jessie Rogers in "James Deen loves butts": the girl was obviously under the influence of some drug, and she gets beaten and humiliated in a bad way.
^ I always thought it was hot to see a guy being all hands with a sexy lady. Because grabbing and sucking the lady's tits and masturbating her pussy is what good sex is all about for me. I probably wouldn't even be interested in the lady, if she doesn't want this kind of sex with me. Of course, I'm talking about pleasant, sensual kind of grabbing and touching, so that the woman will orgasm with me. This is my goal and intent of any grabbing and touching. But some guys are rough and sadistic in the way they grab, squeeze, and pull on the woman's body. And if that's the kind of touching Valentina Nappi is talking about, then I fully agree with her. I just find it surprising that Valentina Nappi doesn't make it clear what kind of touching she is talking about. Because touching is what sex is all about. If you don't like touching at all, then perhaps porn industry is the wrong place to be for such a person.
Valentina was talking about (of course) slapping and spanking, not touching. She said sometimes a spank can be good but if the scene is all about beating and she can't feel the cock of the guy then it doesn't work for her and I absolutely agree, not only because I love Valentina but because it's reasonable.
^ On this, I fully agree with you. Because it's a big turn-off for me even to see a guy pretend to hurt the lady in a realistic kind of way. This is the opposite of sexual pleasure and love for me. I want to see the guy being all hands with the sexy lady in a loving kind of way, where his goal is to give her pleasant sensations with his hands, while he also gets some pleasure out of it for himself. Their pleasure needs to be mutual, or else it doesn't work well for me.
you forgot to say that if she was under the influence of some drug it's because she decided to use it, and that she mentioned her roughest scene with James Deen (where she wanted the scene to be as rough as possible) as her favorite of her career exactly in this forum. This is the link: Jessie Rogers Official Thread "Hey everyone sorry ive been so MIA i'm not running away from the forum i'm just super busy lol. I'm gonna be working every day till the rest of june and i'm already booked up for all of July so expect awesome things to come ;)to answer questions i have done scenes with more than 1 guy, just recently actually i did a boy/boy/girl/anal for wicked.. and just 2 days ago i did a scene with 3 guys for brazzers it was the FUNNEST SCENE ive done to date but unfortunately they said it might not be released because it was so ROUGH. I'll give you guys a run down of what happened in the scene though, it was for pornstar punishment,for those of you that don't know that site is going to be closed down so they wanted the last scene they release to be super rough on a girl that actually LIKES it. But i LOVED it and kept asking for more lol so i think it got rougher than it was suppose to be. It was completely unscripted, it starts out with me talking to the camera about how much i love being choked and stuff like that and then Tony T starts choking me out and forces me to deep throat his cock, slaps me aqround and then drags me up one floor by the hair, gives me to James Deen and then i start getting fucked in the butt, spanked, kept asking for him to slap me and spit on me and he did, and then he dragged me up another floor and made me crawl to Keiran Lee, i start sucking on his toes and he starts face fucking me and then fucks me. and then i fuck james again, i fisted my own throat and then got his fist in my mouth and then i started slapping myself. and thennnnnn i crawl to the toilet with the boys get my head dunked, they cum on my face and on the toilet and i lick it off the toilet but wait its not over lol i asked them to piss on me and THEY DID yayy it was so much fun i really hope it gets released :) P.S i told you guys i was going to do primarily anal, i'm doing 3-4 anal scenes a week ;) LOve you guys!!! thanks for all the support! Muah!! xoxoxo -Jess" Edited by - leatherface on 12/21/2015 9:20:32 AM
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If "the scene is all about beating" , like that is what the performers have been detailed to perform then thats what they are required to do. From a professional perspective the performers are there to do as they are directed , their own personal pleasure is not the primary objective , if Valentina had a problem because the scene was being directed so that she coudnt feel the cock and wasnt maximising her own personal pleasure well thats tough. Its about producing the scene the director wants for his target audience not so the performers can get their jollies off.
This is not the scene I was talking about of course, I said it's from James Deen loves butts and it is a one on one between Jessie and James, not a boy/boy/boy/girl. Jessie has said in her website she regretted it but had no power to stop the scene from being released. Of course it was after her quitting the porn scene, seems that everything she said during the time she was performing came from a twisted, addicted girl. And I used to LOVE Jessie! I meant that it should have been clear to everyone the girl was under the influence and making her perform in such a condition is a shame in my opinion.
And probably Valentina felt something over the top in the scene she was talking about... She did some rough scenes for Rocco and she didn't complain, so she probably felt highly uncomfortable while shooting with James Deen. And yet she defends him because, as it was stated, no girl really sued him for anything.
I know the scene you've mentioned, and the one for Pornstar punishment was done after that and she wanted it to be more rough and she talked of it enthusiastically. And nobody forced her to talk of that scene, no one knew about it, she just come here and raved about the scene. So are you saying that after a scene she regretted because it was rough she did a scene with the same performer, she asked for it to be rougher and she described it as her favorite scene of her career? To me it sounds as pure nonsense. The truth is that even if now Jessie talks like everything is bad in the industry (but she mentioned other aspects, like her agent who was an asshole) she liked to do rough sex. She has the right to change her mind, but when I hear her it's like she hasn't her part of responsibility for what she did.
Edited by - leatherface on 12/21/2015 9:58:58 AM
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 11:35AM
Just an observation at this point. The only place this story is actually a story is on this thread.
^Exactly, I mean it's even gotten to the stage where people are now talking about him spanking and slapping girls during scenes as means of furthering the bullshit character assassination. It honestly seems like some of you guys would prefer it if the porn industry was run by Disney & Nickelodeon, no smacking, no slapping, no hair pulling, no swear words/dirty talk, no anal, no gang bangs, no face fucking, just missionary and if you're lucky you'll get to cum in her hand.
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 2:17PM
Nobody here is advocating that kind of nonsense. Those who are "against" Mr Deen just believe that he should listen to women when they say no, stop trying to push past their boundaries, and IF he is raping, it needs to be reported and made public. I really don't see how you can connect our condemnation of rape to hardcore sex scenes. There is a difference between a hardcore double anal gangbang that a girl agrees to do and may even enjoy, and a girl saying STOP and the guy keeps going. You really need to think about what you are saying here. This is not an attack on rough sex, this is an attack on someone doing things against a girls will or ignoring her saying No or Stop. For you personally, does your enjoyment of rough sex need to have the knowledge that the girl is doing it against her will? That is the issue at hand. If you enjoy rough sex, and you want it to be consensual, then there should be not much disagreement here. Rough sex is enjoyed by many women; one of the reasons Mr Deen is so popular. What women don't enjoy is having something forced upon them against their will or being forced to continue when they say no or stop. You can condemn rape and still enjoy rough sex. You seem to think condemning rape means we need missionary style sex and nothing more. You are very wrong. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 12/21/2015 2:23:58 PM
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^Well said.
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you keep posting links to wiki page as if you are some kind of genius. Try reading/looking at your own posts objectively for a start.
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@ misspornUSA I think Mr hardcoes post related to Zondags post about Valentina Nappi where (apparently) valentina is complaining about James "slapping and spanking" her on set , persumably under direction , "She said sometimes a spank can be good but if the scene is all about beating and she can't feel the cock of the guy then it doesn't work for her." I think Mr Hardcores "it's even gotten to the stage where people are now talking about him spanking and slapping girls during scenes" refered to this - nothing else - no support for doing anything non consensual or objectionable. Cindy seems to have missed his meaning and gone on a tangential rant about no means no , boundaries should be respected , rape should be reporeted to the police , etc etc something she did to a recent post of yours iirc.
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^The problem was Mr. Hardcore's second sentence.
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I still dont see the necessity of the no means no rant. In the context of the valentina complaint concerning an on-set incident of "spanking and slapping" whereby she can't feel the cock of the guy" and the scene "doesn't work for her." Its consensual , its on-set , its business , i dont see how the no means no lecture is relevant.
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Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 6:29PM
This seems to be the case for the majority of women due to something out of their control, alpha male, sense of power, i.e. caveman days from what I recall. Anyways, there are some guys like myself that get turned off by that kinda thing, another reason I never liked any JD scenes. I'm probably in the minority but it's not that rare because I recall seeing a number of porn scenes, might've been part of the script, where the girl actually tries to get the guy to slap/hit them or some other rough stuff and the guy loses his boner and the scene stops or guy refuses and walks off.
I believe it's in Slutty girls Love Rocco #7, it's the only scene I have seen with Valentina performing with JD: it's a threesome with her, JD and Dana Vespoli and I must say it is a good hell of a scene!
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Posted - Dec 20 2015 : 12:41AM