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| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 |  Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:00AM“James doesn’t want to lose his whole career over a girl, so if we all just take a step back and try and put some common sense into play, this seems like some bitter girls lashing out publicly instead of doing it the right way. If you’re a real activist, a feminist, a believer, you would go to the appropriate groups.” “I can’t stand by them publicly shaming,” she added. “This is bullying. This is public shaming until it’s actually proven.”   [Link] |
| jeffandersonn Deactivated User 1605 Posts 3/13 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:04AM i agree with pretty much she says. [Link] |
| leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:07AM [Link] |
| Dutchgangbangboys Member 927 Posts 8/12 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:11AM [Link] |
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| klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:19AM [Link] |
| leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:30AM So if one says that to say that on twitter is automatically bullying is just thinking that the fact didn't happened. [Link] |
| Melvyn Senior Member 2797 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:35AM But I think what she is saying is mostly leveled against the other people piling on. Reading those accounts, some of that sounds awful. Some of it is dubious. And some of it pretty much leads me to concur with Lisa. Two of those accounts claim to have been raped by Deen on camera, during a shoot. One was the Amber Rayne account, which sounded the worst out of all of them. She said he tore her ass, and there was blood everywhere. She says he closed fist punched her head twice. She says she needed stitches in her anus. And she's still friends with him?! wtf? I mean, god bless her heart for such Christ-like display of forgiveness. But I said it before and I'll say it again - some of these people are crazy. Hell I think some of them are crazier than he is. It's a pitiful state. [Link] |
| leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:49AM That is shameful only thinking (as she seems to believe) that he is innocent. [Link] |
| Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:57AM going back to the old retread comment people make about " why didn't she report it at the time", is just sad. There is so much evidence and research to make it very clear why women do not come forward. I really hope society gets that attitude out of it's mind one day. Also, the concept "why would he rape when he gets so much sex".... that again is a very easily answered and well researched question. Most people don't rape or abuse because they can't get sex. Lisa Ann is a great woman in my eyes. I like her. I just can not fathom how someone with such intelligence, and female, would trot out those two questions that come out every time someone makes a rape accusation. I get Deen is her friend and she is defending him, I have no problem with that part. She is very reasonable to ask for something to be proven first, and all of the rest of her comments. My take is there are guys into rough sex who get narcissistic when they are playing the dominant role. They build a narrative in their mind that every girl wants it and every girl needs what they are dishing out. When a girl is enjoying rough sex with them, they can not fathom that the girl may have different boundaries. When the NO's or STOP's come out, they ignore them. Not necessarily because they want to be rapists, they just can't comprehend that this girl they are having sex with actually wants to stop. Does it make the person a rapist, yes. Does it mean they are on the same level as Bill Cosby, or someone who forces sex on someone who said no before anything even started? I don't think so. To me, Deen is a guy who enjoys rough sex, and just doesn't know when to draw the line when he pushes a girl to her limits (which is very wrong). He considers his limits to be the correct and only way to go. I do not feel he is intentionally going into situations wanting to rape someone or harm someone; I feel he just is so wrapped up in himself he doesn't even comprehend that he has to respect boundaries. He needs to be educated more so than burned at the stake. I can understand him being devastated and believe Lisa when she says this. Like I have said, I feel he truly didn't understand how anyone could want him to stop and it never registered in his brain. [Link] |
| erik2690 Deactivated User 367 Posts 3/12 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 10:58AM That logic seems pretty telling and to me at least really undercuts her argument a lot. She describers as "bitter breakups" and yet several of the girls aren't GF's and one described herself several times as a "friend" and was tough to speak out because of that. To me Lisa sounds like a person defending someone she knows, which is fine I guess, but it doesn't make her points anymore substantive. The whole piece kinda boils down to 'He didn't do it to me and I don't (want to) believe it'. Which again fine, but this happens for most people even if they did do it, they have people that support them. [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 11:01AM Bully: noun, plural bullies. 1. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people. 2. Archaic. a man hired to do violence. 3. Obsolete. a pimp; procurer. 4. Obsolete. good friend; good fellow. 5. Obsolete. sweetheart; darling. verb (used with object), bullied, bullying. 6. to act the bully toward; intimidate; domineer. I'm not seeing it. [Link] |
| leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 11:05AM Edited by - leatherface on 12/3/2015 11:06:24 AM [Link] |
| Dutchgangbangboys Member 927 Posts 8/12 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 12:07PM Rape is never about sex. Sex is just a tool. Think!!! [Link] |
| Sexy Sadie All-Star Member I came to turn on everyone 978 Posts 6/10 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 2:08PM 1. James Deen is devastated; 2. James Deen is being Twitter-bullied; 3. She doesn't believe Deen 'would ever do anything like that'; because 4. "“I can't understand why a guy that has sex 25 times a month on set would rape anybody ever"; 5. She queries the motives ('bitter break ups'), the timing ('why over Thanksgiving') and the medium (using Twitter instead of 'go[ing] to the police' and 'keep[ing] it private') of Stoya's announcement; In her position/role (ex-pornstar, radio host, impressed with her own importance) it is inevitable that Lisa Ann would wade into this situation. Nevertheless, it's pretty much a case of her traversing the same issues as are being rehearsed in this thread, essentially offering nothing new by way of information or perspective (and therefore just joining the burgeoning chatter), except for providing this stunning insight (repeated because it needs to be)... ...“I can't understand why a guy that has sex 25 times a month on set would rape anybody ever" Who knew? Provides plenty of evidence about Ms Ann's level of understanding but none about rape. [Link] |
| Anonymous64 Senior Member 2694 Posts 2/14 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 2:18PM [Link] |
| klies Deactivated User 1733 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 2:19PM Edited by - klies on 12/3/2015 3:04:09 PM [Link] |
| Katar Hol Member I know you're watching me. 419 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 2:20PM [Link] |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 3:27PM Quote from article ; "I started giving him [oral sex]. It was nice at first, then it got really rough. I kept trying to pull my head up to say something, it was too rough. 'But he would just push my head back in so I was choking and I couldn't say anything. As he was doing it – this is the embarrassing part and why I didn't say anything – he said "oh my God, I have to go to the bathroom" and he pissed in my mouth. 'Then after that, he had the idea of putting the beer bottle up my arse. So that was done.' She claims that she was the first to complain about James Deen on an Internet forum set up by Kink – but that her post was deleted. 'I wrote about my experience with James Deen, saying, "how can he get away with it" and they not only deleted my post but kicked me out so I unable to post in the forum." End quote from article. Dosnt sound like a cut and dried brute force rape scenario but more like a combination of situation / peer pressure , force , bad decision making and lack of resolve to gtfo of the situation. Still fucked up but maybe thats what goes on at wrap parties , Kink seem to have been unsympathetic to her complaints if the article is to be beleived , although they are obviously attemtpting to make all the right noises now. Translates as powerful people in porn can do whatever they like with impunity and the studios with cover it up. If its all true. [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 3:47PM [Link] |
| Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 4:19PM Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 12/3/2015 4:20:07 PM [Link] |
| Seijuro Senior Member 1389 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 4:19PM [Link] |
| FlacFan Deactivated User 10088 Posts 8/15 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 5:00PM Oh Dear. Lisa, rape isn't about sex. Boycott James Deen, Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better [Link] |
| Jackie Treehorn Member It'll knock both your eyes out! 311 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 5:25PM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 5:35PM [Link] |
| White1970DodgeChallenger Member 406 Posts 1/12 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 8:17PM Sadly, in the environment created by Sabrina Rubin Erdely's UVA rape hoax, it is more than possible that people will doubt a genuine victim of rape speaking out. Rape does happen. Now Senator Mairia Cahill of Ireland was raped by a member of the IRA and her rape was covered up by Gerry Adams (who also covered up his pedo brother Liam raping his own daughter) and the rest of the IRA. I was never a big fan of either Deen or Stoya, so I can't say I have followed them enough to form any kind of opinion on who is correct in between the two of them. That being said, Amber Rayne was one of the most solid people in the industry before she retired after filming Wanted for Stormy Daniels. What she has tweeted over the past couple of days is revealing for, not only her words, but her nuances: I was not sexually assaulted. I was in a scene that was unnecessarily brutal and left me injured...It was an isolated incident I was not raped. People were assuming that I was amongst those who were. I was involved 9 years ago in a scene that became I only said something to debunk the rumor. I want no attention from this. End of subject. I didnt want anyone thinking he had raped me cause he never did anything of the sort&figured telling the truth would be better Matured and we're past that incident. have never seen him as a bad person and that one time aside very much liked working I have no further involvement with anywhere this goes from here I will never condone it and am so conflicted on everything going on. Hence why I haven't commented further than straightening Also of interest are a couple of things tweeted by Lexi Belle who is a) not exactly an unknown/barely known in the industry, and b) not someone with an axe to grind or known to habitually involve herself in feuds If you were assaulted....why wouldn't you call the police...when it happened? I believe in standing up for yourself. But there is not such thing as Twitter police. [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 8:23PM Edited by - Harri Patel on 12/3/2015 8:24:50 PM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 9:00PM Edited by - fu_q on 12/3/2015 9:06:04 PM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 9:12PM That said, suggesting that someone who has a lot of sex wouldn't have any motivation to rape shows a fundamental lack of understanding as to what rape really is. (feminist can't or not) Edited by - murdock on 12/3/2015 9:13:23 PM [Link] |
| Sexy Sadie All-Star Member I came to turn on everyone 978 Posts 6/10 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 9:13PM Do you consider seriously that Deen just needed a little more sex than Stoya was prepared to give him? Edited by - Sexy Sadie on 12/3/2015 9:17:13 PM [Link] |
| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 9:34PM [Link] |
| tookie Member 732 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 11:15PM The porn performers leveled the accusations against Deen in separate interviews with Vocativ. Lily LaBeau, who has performed with Deen several times, told Vocativ about an incident in which Deen hit her in the face so hard her jaw locked. She called it “the most traumatic thing that’s happened to me in my career.” Derrick Pierce, an actor and director who is the first male performer to speak out with a story about Deen, and who was present for two incidents involving LaBeau and Deen, corroborated her account and said that they had contributed to his belief that Deen “doesn’t like limits.” A third performer, who asked to remain anonymous, corroborated LaBeau’s account. more here [Link] |
| Anonymous64 Senior Member 2694 Posts 2/14 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 11:16PM [Link] |
| adogg Senior Member 1338 Posts 7/10 | Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 11:45PM forget about the 10+ girls and counting his father says hes a good guy [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 12:06AM [Link] |
| tookie Member 732 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 12:30AM Second, her quote said she's not sure why he would do it. Not how he could do it. [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 12:42AM Also, if anyone actually wants to see a more reasoned "defense" of James, here's what Asa Akira posted in the AMA she did yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3v7mzy/iama_published_author_director_a_wicked_picture/cxl1nwm She goes about as far as she can while still maintaining that she can't definitively say anything about his guilt or innocence. [Link] |
| JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:29AM By the way, even your more charitable interpretation of her comments is ridiculous. The guy is so tuckered out from working so much, that he physically can't rape? That's an argument not worth being mocked? [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 5:29AM And your attempt at mind reading makes absolutely no sense anyway. Physical toll? Seriously? Are you suggesting that all of these encounters are being completely fabricated? (You'd be the first, afaik. No one else seems to be doubting that the encounters happened, just if they were consensual or not) Or are you just suggesting that Deen would be too worn out to continue the encounter in a non-consensual sort of way? Don't get me wrong... both are pretty ridiculous, I'm just curious which variety of ridiculous you've decided to go with to continue clinging to your beliefs. [Link] |
| Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 6:52AM [Link] |
| TrumanBurbank Deactivated User 890 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 9:26AM Why would she work with him so many times. She even did a pornstars off set scene with him and they seemed like good friends. I don't know what the fuck is real anymore. Feel bad for Deen's dad tbh. Having to deal with this shit his son did. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 9:39AM If Stoya is to be believed, Deen wanted to keep doing what he was doing, she wanted him to stop doing what he was doing - he ignored her request. In doing so, he denied her any control over what was happening, which translates into him keeping the power to control the situation all to himself. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 9:45AM [Link] |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 10:41AM And applied specifically to the Stoya case , its logical to think that someone (JD) in the midst of consensual sex in a highly aroused state, that his behavoiour will be at least in part be sexually motivated. If he is compelled to continue despite his partners protestations its possibly because of extreme arousal just as much as its a power trip. As an analogy - if your watching tv and your better half asks for the remote control - your refusal to let her change channel is just as likely to be that you want to keep watching the current programme as that you want to deny her the power to change channel. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 11:19AM [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 11:21AM But this case isn't in a vacuum any longer. It isn't just Stoya making accusations, and those accusations aren't just limited to consensual sex that crossed into non-consensual. That narrative doesn't work with pretty much any of the other allegations made by any of the other women. Is it possible, that he was so highly aroused with Stoya that he couldn't bring himself to stop when she told him? Yeah. In the context of all of the other accusations that have been made, is it likely? No. Edited by - murdock on 12/4/2015 11:23:22 AM [Link] |
| DeadMan Member On the hedonic treadmill 31 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 11:27AM Nice try though, studying up on fallacies has really helped me spot the kind that you used. [Link] |
| murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 11:38AM [ invalid url ] is quite handy.  That said, I'm not sure that he was trying to poison the well so much as pointing out that the well might already be poisoned. Edited by - murdock on 12/4/2015 11:39:16 AM [Link] |
| Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 11:40AM [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 11:42AM [Link] |
| Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15 | Posted - Dec 4 2015 : 12:06PM People were attemtping to discredit Lisa Anns opinions using the aforementioned simplistic and misleading rhetoric. Such misinformations need to be dispelled so that a more honest and accurate debate can flourish. [Link] |
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