This is it. They have family there, they probably strip a lot down there (I know AT does) and they probably see a lot of clients/superfans from that region. Their home base would look at them as sellouts, not to mention family reaction. Which also comes back to my thread about the problem with casting the worst WM talent alongside elite BF like Nadia Jay. Nadia is a stripper and has other work. I don't believe she only strips at non-Black joints and sees only non-BM. She shows BM a lot of love on social media. Her agent sending her to get bukaked by a bunch of disgusting White bums will definitely make a few BM close their wallets at the club and meet ups. Not to mention family and friends seeing that shit. I guess the math works for her but... http://www.data18.com/movies/1137499 This is probably going to get her the big dollars and fan love in the long term. I watched that scene even though I'm not Black because she looks awesome and the scene is cool. http://www.data18.com/content/1152633 I wouldn't buy from that company anyway, but if I did...I wouldn't buy that one. If you look at the cast you will see a known bisexual who gets fucked by transsexuals allowed to ejaculate in her eye. Did she know this before the scene was shot? Did the director tell her? Probably not. He didn't give a damn about potential risks to her health. I think the top level new BF talent should start doing a variation of "Waiting to Shoot IR for a Bigger Pay Day" by staying away from WM (bisexual Middle Eastern semite?) sites that basically drag them through the mud. I know most BF can't avoid IR altogether right now, but the rise in demand for BF talent is so fast that they should be able to be choosier right now. Edited by - research1 on 8/18/2015 1:13:37 AM
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 1:30AM
^You watched the scene illegally?
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What scene? Why are you implying that I broke the law. http://www.data18.com/movies/1137499 I said I clicked on the trailers.That is not illegal. Data18.com is a vendor. I ended up purchasing the scene with Nadia Jay and Nat Turner. That is the scene I watched the whole thing of. Edited by - research1 on 8/18/2015 1:33:14 AM Edited by - research1 on 8/18/2015 1:35:10 AM
TBH I don't remember there being that much hype for Benz doing IR. I mean she was one of the last biggest remaining holdouts, but I didn't see folk sweating her on a daily basis to do IR the way people have for Texas. I would say the hype for Texas doing IR is at least twice as much as it was for Benz, and that's a conservative guess. It could be 3-5 times as much hype. I mean there's dudes out there who only know of her because of her holding out. That reputation precedes her. But perhaps you're right and the justification for a 20,000 bonus pay just is not there. IMO it is, based on speculation I'm admittedly pulling out of the air. But maybe it's not. What I do know however is doing IR did nothing but boost Nikki Benz's popularity. We already knew before Nikki did Jungle Fever that world renown stars like Lisa Ann were living proof that IR does not hurt ones career, but actually can be argued to significantly boost it. Lisa Ann was commonly cited as the world's most popular star, and that didn't happen until later in her career, and she's been thoroughly IR friendly in the latter half of her career. Nikki Benz's followers has gone up about +50,000 since she did Jungle Fever. Now I'm not saying all +50k new followers is all just thanks to the Jules Jordan showcase he gave her, BUT that's not the point. The point is it absolutely did not hurt her. Nikki's went up from about 730,000 to 780,000 since Jungle Fever. Meanwhile Miss Texas's followers has pretty much remained the same over the same period, idling around 700,000.
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 4:49PM
A particularly interesting comment from Bonnie on her thread (where unfortunately she is being trolled by watchdogs):
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Well I still don't buy her BS, I never a fan of her, and I still won't buy her movies or watch her scenes. The best way for her to do is not directed IR scene or IR movies anymore because already IR fans aren't going to buy it. You know a genre you will never done will never get support from that fan base is wrong.
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 9:41PM
^I become a fan of Bonnie's in late 2012, though in the last year or so I haven't watched very much of her content. Ultimately what it comes down to for me is that she is (or was, since she is now retired) a great performer. That's only my opinion of course. If you were never a fan of her's there's no reason to believe that her shooting with a black man would have changed your view. Though I long ago gave up hope that Bonnie would ever shoot with my favorite male performers, I never stopped being impressed by her skills as a performer. To reiterate what I wrote earlier, it seems to me that what happened with Bonnie may become or already is a trend. As I wrote earlier, an unintended result of the current IR system may be that "A growing number of pornstars will shoot anal and everything else, leave black men for last as part of a business strategy, then retire for whatever reason without ever having shot with a black man." Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/18/2015 9:45:34 PM
[mod edit: comment removed. See the ADT forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond."] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 8/18/2015 11:48:58 PM
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 9:50PM
^Name calling will only draw the negative attention of moderators to this thread. Let's keep it civil.
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[mod edit: comment removed. See the ADT forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond."] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 8/18/2015 11:48:41 PM
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 12:01PM
^Hmm. Can anyone who's actually seen or heard Jenna's interview with Stern (I haven't) confirm that $10k is the figure she claimed to have received? Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/19/2015 12:03:05 PM
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 12:33PM
^Good for them, though I wonder if that includes "first IR" and "first IR anal."
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^ ^ Those are the same fans who still attack Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, and Christy Mack since they are retired. Some IR fans happy when Christy Mack got beaten last year from her ex, and say she deserved it because she didn't do black men. Ever know I was never a fan of her or support her career but she didn't deserved it, I'm not a fan of domestic violence because my aunt was an victim of domestic violence, and she had to go live with it. Now if that was an IR performer say Jade Stevens, IR fans would be mad as hell, and ready to get the shoot that person. That shit can happen to anyone not just pornstars but your sister, mother, or anybody. I know Bonnie will read this, and I know she will never be accepted from some IR fans because what she did in her career, and if I was an BM performers I would never shoot for her. So I'm just done with the whole Bonnie thing because she will never get my money in all so I will leave it that. She made her choice which is fine but I made my choice. Edited by - Interracial4Life on 8/19/2015 12:45:20 PM
Ugh... just look at their Twitter background images. Keisha Grey and Valentina Nappi are both soooo hot, but they look horrible in Dogfart's makeup and light. They have Valentina looking like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. And They got Keisha with Mandingo. What a waste of talent. Also worth noting the wording of that tweet. They say they won't pay stars who demand extra. That doesn't mean they won't pay extra. I'm sure they are still approaching many females and luring them with extra bonus pay. Their loophole is they can posture as socially conscious and progressive, but behind the scenes they will still be participating in what they condemn. I mean they must be investing somewhere, because it's not apparent anywhere else in the production. Maybe it's advertising. I just think their product stinks. Very rare is the time they make a scene that is hot to me. I'm a huge IR fan, and despite them being dedicated to IR, their product just does practically nothing for me.
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 3:30PM
^I'm a long time Dogfart member, and personally I've enjoyed the scenes that Valentina has shot for them. I expect that I'll like Keisha's scene as well, but I agree that Dogfart's makeup artists apply too much makeup to the faces of pornstars who need little or none, but that is a common problem in porn imo.
Funny thing is. Most of you wouldn't be happy if a girl decided to do it a year or a year and a half in. What's your problem? Carter cruise did it for a showcase and got wailed on by tons of insults when she has been in the biz a quarter of the time other people have and it still doesn't satisfy you. My general gathering from this entire thread is that none of you will be happy with anything a girl does. You just want to have a reason to complain about girls being "racist" or about the money. When you have no clear idea about how the porn industry works or about any of our personal lives. Go be pathetic elsewhere and stop bitching and complaining in a thread like it's going to bring legitamacy to you lives. It won't, so move on. This entire thread is pointless and full of bitches.
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 3:53PM
^I can't speak for every contributor in this thread, but I think most of us have reached a consensus that personal racism on the part of performers is not the issue. I wrote on the previous page: "Plenty of Americans are racist to varying degrees, so it should surprise no one that some pornstars are racist. That said, I personally don't think that the personal racism of individual pornstars, or even the racism of some agents, directors, and producers is the main issue. Bonnie Rotten's comment reminds us that the real problem is the current IR business model."
Hypocritical? Did I say I pay them? No I didn't. I wouldn't pay extra for them to do that. I'll say what I said before and that's it for me. Most girls don't start with anal, I did. I did things backward so I didn't have anything left by the time I had my own company that I could control..then I left porn. That was the only thing I had left. You guys don't understand that you can't just do EVERYTHING right away because you have to create LONGEVITY FOR YOUR JOB. It's not like a typical job. You have to have things that are new that people want to see you can't keep doing the same thing over and over that's why girls do gangbangs and dps etc because you all are satisfied with just regular sex you want more than that.. Why do you think Riley waited so long for anal? Or Nikki benz for IR? No one cares that women do things in their personal life. Because it's totally up to YOU all to decide when its right and wrong for a girl to do WHAT YOU WANT. Too bad you guys don't control any of us. Despite what you think. But again I know this is like speaking to a wall. Because you all think what you want and don't consider logic. Lol. Morons. BTW interracial could mean any race so it seems to me that you guys are narrowing down the genre and making it exactly what you don't want it to be. If anything I would say this is the fans faults for constant wanting to see IR as black man and white woman. Don't hear anyone saying that in this tread do you?
I agree. And it's partially a problem because of the fans making it that way. It's not just the business it's the respose of the fans that contribute to it. If they can find a way to change their view more girls wouldn't view it as something they should save or do it would be a regular act just like BG sex. But because they demand to see it cast stones and throw insults, many don't want to do it or many save it because why would you want to please a group of fans who are constantlyn rude?
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 3:59PM
^My gut feeling is that a lot those who harass performers aren't even buying porn. They hold pornstars in too low a regard for me to believe that they would be willing to buy the product that pornstars are selling. They don't represent the buying fanbase. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/19/2015 4:00:07 PM
And that' the most ironic part of the whole damn thing. That these people that are being loud and obnoxious don't realize that by harassing and insulting the performers, they're working against the very thing that they say they want.
They seem to be saying that they're no longer paying girls more Who have already done IR, but no word on first IR's. I really like what Dogfarts have been putting out lately, I agree that the makeup in the Keisha Grey and Valentina Nappi scenes were not there best however the actual sex looks great. And for me that's all that matters. Edited by - bobmarblee on 8/19/2015 4:53:40 PM
I called your post hypocritical because, on one hand you say that it's "despicable" for a girl to ask for more money to do IR but then you said you wanted to hold off ir for a showcase...and why do you want a showcase? To make more money, right? So why is it despicable for them but just "business" for you? Other people on this forum that have seen my posts will tell you that I don't harass girls, name call, or whatever. I say my piece and I move on but I know that if you do respond it'll be something about a brick wall or that I'm some idiot and that's cool.
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MOD: Deleted useless drivel. Edited by - flash on 8/19/2015 9:22:39 PM
and in other posts I have said that it has to do with the fact that you also have to save something to keep relevant and to keep business going. You can't keep doing anal in every single movie, directors fans and producers get tired of seeing the same exact thing. which is a BIG REASON girls save certain acts. It is despicable to charge more to have sex with a guy of different color especially when its not a first and you have done it 1000 times. what I'm referring to is not the waiting or the selling of the FIRST TIME. I'm referring to once it has been done multiple times and is no longer a go to specialty.
Are you guys trying to get this thread closed? Because that's where you're heading right now. Name calling in general is bad enough, name calling against performers specifically is enough to get the thread closed and probably get you banned.
hopefully it does get closed so people like Interracial4life can't post ignorant crap that makes no sense instead of getting in a discussion and talking about the topic at hand. calling me poor white trash? someone sounds racist towards white women in general you're probably the type of fan who wants to see a girl do IR and get degraded because you hate them so much. that is a problem in itself. Don't cast your racism because you fear racism toward you. YOU are probably a white guy from the south who hates himself.
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 5:36PM
Indeed. Personal attacks against performers are the very definition of off topic. It's not what this thread is about. My OP:Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/19/2015 5:38:07 PM
sorry if any grief was brought by me to this thread, I was only trying to state mine and many other performers cases on here. I think its unfair when most of us don't have negative intentions or feelings toward doing IR. Some circumstances are different and just because it wasn't done doesn't make us bad people or about the money.
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Posted - Aug 19 2015 : 6:21PM
I'll say it again: People who hate pornstars don't buy porn, and every pornstar needs to know that such "fans" are not customers and are only representative of their own crazy selves and no one else.
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Of All the pornstars, you have something boldly to say about IR when have no track record of IR scenes. If Jada or Sasha or Bree was on here find, but you? SMGDH
