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Posted - Mar 7 2016 : 11:49AM
^I'd watch her on Blacked.com because it's Blacked.com, but I'm indifferent to her shooting "first IR" and I might just ignore it if it's a Jules scene. I do think it's interesting that she's speaking about her rate openly.
No, it would mean that the system puts a group at a disadvantage based on race. The idea that only racist people benefit from a racist system is as ridiculous as saying only sexist people benefit from a sexist system.
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Posted - Mar 7 2016 : 12:23PM
Part and parcel of the racist idea of black men as animalistic is lower intelligence. To this day the lower intelligence claim is the go-to claim among racists. I don't think it is as irrelevant as some are claiming in this thread but very much part of racist portrayls of black people both within and outside of porn.
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Posted - Mar 7 2016 : 12:30PM
^I'm satisfied with what I wrote. EDIT: If anyone wants to read my comment in context the discussion occurred on page 18 of this thread. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/7/2016 12:44:55 PM
Yes they did, when you call the law to basically say : you will fuck at my price , you do. Consent is only when ALL conditions are matched and this includes the rates , the very moment you say, no the law says it's not up to you, it's not your call, than the girl is denied the choice , may be technically it's not a rape , but I'd like to see that written on a court bill
That doesn't make any sense. as long as the person has the ability to say no, there is consent. By your definition, every woman in porn is raped because testing is mandatory.
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 11:20AM
^^Then the performer says "No" and doesn't shoot the scene or she says "Okay" and shoots the scene. No one is talking about forcing them.
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 4:37PM
What crazy way to argue 'consent'. You've just skewed the debate so far to the right. You've taken an almost perfect way, in an other imperfect world. Either she does the scene or not. Having a say in pay based on ones skin colour now crossing the line into discrimination. And NO, this isn't the same as anal, gangbangs, DPs etc. Those are acts not people.
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 4:47PM
^I hate to say it, but IR actually is the same as anal, etc. as long as the industry treats it that way.
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 4:56PM
Rachel said that? Because I'm guessing she'll probably request something absurd like $5000 to make sure it never happens. Because if she was serious she'd make it happen.As explained to another person attempting to make the "free market" argument. Behavior in the marketplace isn't governed by a mysterious force as some economists to this day erroneously say but is determined by conscious decisions made by human beings and those decisions are influenced by monopolies, greed, self-interest, deception, and in some cases racism. Now of course anyone can charge what they like for a scene, but if it requires bribery to do so then the person paying should understand that by doing so they're contributing to a business environment where racism is continually propped up by such irrational practices. And also they make it harder for someone to pay models a normal b/g rate for such scenes because culturally bribery becomes an accepted practice. Edited by - Zy28 on 3/9/2016 2:05:45 AM
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 5:53PM
I categorically disagree. If it's the same, why aren't black females earning more for UR scenes?
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 6:39PM
^It should go without saying that I am speaking of bm/wm IR, which is the subject of this thread and of which I am reasonably certain is more profitable than bf/wm IR. If you actually believe that the industry does not treat IR any differently than an ordinary b/g, then what are you critiquing here?
FYI it was Phil Rushton, I believe to whom MissPornUSA refers. His findings were quite controversial. There's even a famous debate between him and a biologist named Suzuki. It's one of the most heated debates I've seen. Suzuki was very emotionally emphatic in denouncing Rushton, but Rushton was unrelenting. Quite fascinating really. edit: Actually his name was Jean-Philippe Rushton. So I see where MPUSA got John. Many in mainstream academia have challenged and invalidated Rushton's studies. I still value the female Asian student who responded in the Q and A segment of the debate. That's how more people ought to think.
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Posted - Mar 8 2016 : 10:57PM
^^^^There were two components to what that student said: 1. This wasn't a debate. 2. Universities should be willing to host debates about controversial issues. I disagree with her first premise and strongly agree with the second.
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Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 4:22AM
But your saying that IR is different, but if that's the case bf should be benefiting from it too, but their not. That racist.
And I agree with both parts of your assessment, and I might add I think her simplification, the first conclusion, was a reaction to Suzuki's demagoguing. She was a bit dismissive of his substance in the way that Suzuki dismissed Rushton's as altogether worthy of being fired. That's very closed-minded. If it wasn't a debate for the first quarter, it did eventually get there. And there are some good lessons to learn from any heated debate, not just the substance of the arguments, but the tactics. Perhaps in another environment, Suzuki's attack could have been considered a massive backfire. I think it was fair to say that overall modern academia is becoming more and more hostile toward that which defies group think. It is not the same Canada today which hosted that debate 27 years ago. It wouldn't even be entertained on that level of publicity in America today.
FWIW my personal view is the argument of disparity in IQ is not convincingly reliable. They say these IQ tests conducted around the world control for education, but can they really? And even if it was reliable, I do not believe it is as meaningful as proponents would have us think, not in an evolutionary sense. Whatever the case may be, whether it puts Asians at the top or Ashkenazi Jews or whoever, and whoever it puts at the bottom, the much more important thing in my mind is that things were not always this way. Human civilization is thousands of years old, at least 6 thousand, and human history is two hundred thousand years. I find that people who try and make claims about the races all too often hold a very myopic view of culture, geography, and history.
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Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 12:47PM
^There definitely needs to be a greater allowance for minority views and controversial views in academia. Furthermore, if someone's research findings are controversial there should not be a kneejerk dismissal of the validity of that research. We saw that happen, for example, with Bruce Rind and it was shameful. On the other hand, academia has to draw the line somewhere, and that means distinguishing between science that is merely controversial and science that is bogus. So if a university fires a biology professor for teaching creation "science", that's something I'm going to support. Of course, universities have spent decades promoting the mostly bogus science of evolutionary psychology, so I'm not sure to what extent the people in charge are actually capable of making the necessary distinction between crap and chocolate. In any case, while there is undeniably a lot of pressure on universities to be intolerant of positions that diverge from the party line, I don't want to sell American universities too short on this front. Watch KC Johnson's Ohio University lecture "Abandoning Due Process: Campus Sexual Assault and Presumptions of Guilt" which can be found on YouTube under the title "George Washington Forum 16 FEB 2015." Johnson definitely doesn't bleat like some in the audience would like him to, and yet there he is speaking at Ohio University. That's just one example. Although protests and walk-outs may occur, controversial speakers are still given a platform from which to express themselves at American universities. Wendy McElroy's debate with Jessica Valenti at College Hill is another example (it's on YouTube titled "McElroy vs Valenti, FULL DEBATE - How Should Colleges Handle Sexual Assault?"). I don't agree with either one of the speakers and would rather Valenti (whom I despise) have debated someone like KC Johnson, but nonetheless it's another example of a very controversial issue being discussed on a campus. On the larger subject of IQ I think Bob Sternberg is worth a look.
^ It's not about bm/wf being more profitable. ALL non black women(white, asian, latin, indian ect..) get paid more to do scenes with black men if their names are big enough. Asa Akira, London Keyes, and whoever got huge paychecks once they decided to fuck black guys. People seem to forget that it's not about black and white, plenty of non white women have cashed fat checks to fuck black guys. Black women are the only women who aren't going to get paid more for interracial under any circumstances. It's funny some black women such as Adrian Maya, Anya Ivy are dodging black men. I think the goal is to get more money to fuck their own race. It's like if they can't beat em, might as well join them. I really don't think a company would ever pay them more to have sex with their own race. We will see though. Anyway sometimes it is what it is. I mean blacked is giving girls big paychecks for first IR. And they seem to be the biggest IR site because of it. I kinda like it though since they are giving it to fresher girls, and not the washed up girls who have been around for years like it was back in the day. The fresher = the more a girl is worth in my book.
^^ It's not about bm/wf being more profitable. ALL non black women(white, asian, latin, indian ect..) get paid more to do scenes with black men if their names are big enough. Asa Akira, London Keyes, and whoever got huge paychecks once they decided to fuck black guys. People seem to forget that it's not about black and white, plenty of non white women have cashed fat checks to fuck black guys. Black women are the only women who aren't going to get paid more for interracial under any circumstances. It's funny some black women such as Adrian Maya, Anya Ivy are dodging black men. I think the goal is to get more money to fuck their own race. It's like if they can't beat em, might as well join them. I really don't think a company would ever pay them more to have sex with their own race. We will see though. Anyway sometimes it is what it is. I mean blacked is giving girls big paychecks for first IR. And they seem to be the biggest IR site because of it. I kinda like it though since they are giving it to fresher girls, and not the washed up girls who have been around for years like it was back in the day. The fresher = the more a girl is worth in my book.
Really? Are you willing to pay 29 bucks a month to subscribe to a site called Whited , with black girls doing their first WM? How many black men do you think would buy such membership? How many black females would sign up there?
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Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 5:09PM
She married a man who was wealthier than any of the various black men to whom she had been linked over the years. Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/9/2016 5:29:43 PM
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Posted - Mar 9 2016 : 6:40PM
No, but I'd sure as Hell pay $99 for a full year's membership to "Whited," with Black girls doing White guys But, it needs to be the A-list Black girls. Black and White means nothing to me, there's nothing special about it, unless the performers are hot. Every possible venue to present the really hot Black girls more frequently works for me.
Because the audience that watches or prefers WM/BF isn't big enough to make it a big seller to warrant paying black women in general more for IR. I don't see any indication that WM/BF is a major seller the way BM/WF is or even typical white on white porn. If the money isn't there making it more profitable for the people who produce it what's the incentive for them to pay more? Because it would be a nice thing to do? That being said...I wouldn't be surprised if there hasn't been a black woman who's been paid more to do IR. I'll say it again.....Everyone's value isn't equal. If I'm a director with a WM/BF movie and a weak cast, I'd absolutely throw more money at someone like Skin Diamond or whoever's popular to be in my movie to stick on the boxcover and make it sell better if I couldn't get her at her normal rate. But if some people heard something like that happening it would be no big deal to them . They only see it being wrong if white women get paid more for helping a movie/scene sell.
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 3:23AM
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 3:26AM
And who were these "various bm" then? Like i said it was all hot air to get a chunk of the IR fanbase...that's all. Because as the old saying goes..."ACTION, speaks louder than words". Edited by - iwatchusmash on 3/10/2016 4:01:01 AM
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 5:12AM
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 5:28AM
^ ^ at you two. EDIT: What I'm gettin' at is...y'all are mad at these girls because they do IR porn but happen to have relationships with non-black guys in their personal lives? That because they don't do IR and date black guys in their personal lives that their shady? Edited by - Mass Facialties on 3/10/2016 6:07:50 AM
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 7:07AM
The judgemental tone about who a woman marries is bizarre. Just because you date or are sexually attracted to black men but marry someone who isn't black is not hypocritical. Maybe they just met and fell in love and that person wasn't black. It's not like you're locked into exclusively interracial relationships for one's entire life. PS. I would pay more for a steady wm/bf website. Brown Bunnies was a successful site.
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 7:27AM
Sigh...are you ever gonna be able to comprehend posts properly? Just once? . I was making a point about Alexis Ford spewing fake words to get IR fans onside....and then i just dropped some knowledge about the myths of porn and how people shouldn't take these females who spew the same language as Alexis seriously. I clearly said who they date in their personal lives is their business...but I'm also entitled to educate those who don't know the reality of the situation....i'd say around 90 to 95 percent of the women who do IR don't date BM....stating it publically isn't hating on them...it's just telling the truth.
What is this based on? Alexis had a successful career before she did IR and/or said she mostly dated black guys. And she only did a handful of IR scenes during her porn career. Why lie to try and get black fans when she doing fine before and never really tried capitalize on doing IR other than doing a few scenes? Plus, the vast majority of black porn watchers probably never heard or knew she said she dated black guys. What would be the point of lying about it because she certainly didn't need to. Or do you know Alexis personally and know for a fact that what she said was "fake".
It is anywhere except this thread where some are reaching for any excuse to judge and put down pornstars who don't do what they want, the way they, want when they want.
^^I don't see much difference between that and mainstream actors claiming to be tight with their castmates. Sometimes it's true, but usually they're just selling an image to their fans. It's really a separate discussion from this one. Edited by - joey numbers on 3/10/2016 8:58:45 AM LCF wrote: I have to repeat notions , Alexis Ford has a weak for blacks was almost black exclusive in her real life, yet stayed 5 years without performing any IR when she was under contract, she didn't have a choice. Edited by - LCF on 3/6/2016 5:07:12 AM [/quote] The tangent was introduced by someone white knighting for those who charge more to work with black men. Edited by - joey numbers on 3/10/2016 9:26:20 AM
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 10:18AM
Except that in Alexis' case her words and actions outside of porn consistently substantiated the claims she made about her preferences within porn until she married a wealthy white man.
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 10:27AM
So, Lewis Black is a White guy. Who does he get to sleep with Is he permitted to masturbate to both White and Black girls?
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 10:42AM
If you checked her IG during those times there would be silly videos of her "rapping" to hiphop songs and so forth and it all seemed like an effort to appeal to a certain demographic. Needless to say when the career was over all of that stuff stopped :D ...i just believe all the talk was a facade to appeal to new fans...because she only started talking about BM when she done IR..not before from what i gather.
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Posted - Mar 10 2016 : 10:50AM
LOL sorry but that's a feeble argument imo. You're claiming she was "linked to BM's in the tabloid" but can't name them...then you say she married a "wealthy white man" as if that's an excuse for the lies spewed? From what i gather the guy is hardly Bill Gates either!!..but hey if that's what you want to believe then that's up to you. No-one would say a word if the fake talk didn't take place...but the fact is she neglected IR for the majority of her career and then ended up marrying an old caucasian dude!!!...those are NOT the actions of a woman who was "weak for bm's", it's as simple as that.
Posted - Mar 7 2016 : 11:49AM
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at you two.
