On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - May 15 2017 : 9:17PM
This thread raises so many questions: 1. Is it racist if a performer won't do I/R in real life but will do I/R on camera for $$? 2. Is it racist if a performer does do I/R on camera but lets loose a string of phrases such as: Give me that nigger cum, give me that nigger dick, knock me up so I have a nigger baby? 3. Do you guys have lives or hobbies other than making an issue out of something that is non issue worthy such as a so called "implication" of what a porn scene is trying to say? 4. Have any black posters on ADT had an issue with the roles black guys play in the set up to an I/R scene or is it only white guys? 5. Who the hell cares if a person is racist or not and if a performer does or doesn't do I/R? 6. Why am I chiming in? Answers: 1. Who the hell cares? 2. Probably, but who the hell cares? It's porn, it's not socially redeeming in anyway shape or form, it's designed for people to spank one off. 3. Probably not, no wait, definitely not. 4. Probably just the white guys. 5. Not me. 6. Bored at the present moment before bed. Katja said it best and she should know, "you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't"
^ For someone who doesn't care at all about this topic, you sure do find yourself posting in it a lot. I would think someone as above it all as yourself could find better things to do with your time.
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Posted - May 15 2017 : 9:30PM
^^This thread isn't a witch-hunt for racist pornstars. A few users have tried to turn it into that, but that's never been what it's about.
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Posted - May 15 2017 : 9:37PM
A lot? Hardly. I made a few posts mostly related to porn star memoirs. You've made more posts on the last page that I have in the thread total. See my answer to #5. Bored before bedtime.
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Posted - May 15 2017 : 9:40PM
Every I/R thread basically turns into a witch hunt of racist pornstars. My POV has always been, who the hell cares, there are 1000s of girls who gladly take the job, enjoy them.
^^^ If I'm not interested in a topic/thread, I tend to not post in it at all, bored or not. If I'm bored before bedtime, I just go find a scene to rub one out to and lie down. But you do you.
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Posted - May 15 2017 : 10:29PM
^I greatly doubt that anything happening in porn will help lead us into colorblindness, in part because colorblindness has never existed and never will exist. What's needed is a deprioritization of color.
^not in porn. more people should care about racism in general. we shouldn't tolerate it and we shouldn't not care. although your probably right. we will never really be colorblind regardless.
Hey Guys! I made this account so I could finally respond to this! I have been checking up on this forum a lot! Okay, Like I said on my twitter I am done with the drama that has came from this! I have tried explaining myself further on youtube, on a radio talk thing that I called in on, and on further blogs and twitter! Some of you seem to understand what I was trying to say and others just won't have it that I said things in a way that seemed wrong but I did not mean it that way! I am new in the industry, I do have a lot to learn! That speaking I am also from a very small town in North Carolina and have a lot of adventuring and figuring out to do especially in Los Angeles, the place porn is shot! The blog I have BellaEliseRose.Blog is my very first blog that I have ever had! I think of it more as a open diary and for some people that just is not liked or something! I deleted the blog post that most of you are referring to but its online some places I believe and I made a youtube to clarify what I meant! I am for sure 100 percent not racist! If you do not believe me then you don't believe me. I think I know myself better than anyone else, I have nothing to prove to anyone but myself. I just want to clarify that when you guys thought I was disrespecting other performers and such I was not. If you look at the blog post I said "from a business standpoint" and what I meant by that is that SOME girls from a (AGAIN) Business standpoint wait to do interracial for those reasonings. I used what I thought was a little humor like "money for rent" I am sorry for saying that, and for saying "used up" I meant these things like... Used up meaning they have already shot the girl 10000 times for b/g so she isn't getting booked anymore and now she has to move on to something that will get her booked or get her more money.. I am sorry for using the word Used up. Also when I said rent money I meant that some girls get in a panic and do IR because it pays more and to them they are in need of money because a lot of porn stars don't save and they just use that as the time to do it! I will agree my choice of words could have been better, and I could have explained myself a bit better! I am sorry this is my first blog! Also that being said, I NEVER said those reasons are okay! That girls should do that. That those reasons are the ONLY reasons women do IR! I was saying for those reasons and the reason of me never being attracted to a very dark skinned individual does not have to be "black" is why I won't be doing IR! for the fact that It is still a big deal to do in porn! EVEN if some of these girls are saying it is not. These are things I have heard, seen or witnessed and I can only go by that! I Know that some girls have done it at the starting of their career and some have waited and some have never at all and that is totes fine. I was actually trying to do the opposite of what you guys thought! I was trying to explain that I didn't want to do IR because its such a big deal, and the fact that it is not equal to regular B/g in the industry is why I don't want to do it. Porn makes it racist, not the girl! This has nothing to do with my views on women having sex outside of the industry! BC outside of the industry its not a big deal at all! I am sorry that some people misunderstood me! I am sorry for all the chaos on social media! But I am not sorry for choosing who enters my body and who doesn't! That does not just have to do with skin color! Bella Rose
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Posted - May 15 2017 : 11:18PM
^Thanks for stopping by Bella. I'm going to ask other contributors to this thread to keep forum etiquette in mind by being polite and civil to Bella if you choose to respond to her, especially if you intend to express your disagreement or provide constructive criticism.
Bella... If you don't want to have sex with a black guy for any reason that's your choice and I don't have a problem with it. If your from a small town in North Carolina it's possible your feelings towards black men is a product of that environment. In any case, the big mistake I feel you made was to attempt to throw other pornstars under the bus or use others as a justification as to your own personal choices regardless of whether what you said is true or not. That was totally insulting to the pornstars whom that doesn't apply and messed up to the ones that perhaps do what you say. You wouldn't want a pornstar (or anyone) lumping you into a negative group to justify their actions and you shouldn't have done that to them. It shouldn't be a surprise to you that they reacted the way they did. I can understand you wanting to try and clear things up from a personal and perhaps a professional POV but you need to stop and let this just blow over. Your explanations I feel are simply saying the same things over and over in a different way and not helping your cause. While I can accept your desire to not do IR, to be honest any explanation, justification, excuse or whatever will simply come across as weak and lame because at the heart of it all you just picked a race of people you clearly have issues with (whether you know it or admit it) and have refuse to work with them. People do that all the time but it doesn't make it okay. Yeah, yeah, you aren't "attracted" to them but no one is asking you to date them, have a relationship with them, or swoon over them. The attraction justicication tends to not hold much water unless you're only banging your boyfriend/husband on camera or you see all the guys you have sex on camera with as boyfriend/relationship/bang off screen material. Any reasons you give as to why you don't want to bang a black man can easily be countered because there really aren't that many for you not to in the context of porn (a job). It all stems from you choosing a race of people to exclude no matter how you try to dress it up. Lastly, you need to be aware you have fans who are sensitive to things regarding this matter and you've just lost some of them. If you want o build a fanbase perhaps you should consider that before you proudly stand up with your honesty of things they didn't need to hear. You're a celeb of sorts now and things you say will be under more of a microscope and picked apart. You've shattered the fantasy for some of them. As messed up as it may sound you should consider have a porn persona that's not quite the same as the real you. Do what you want but it's something to consider. Sorry you have to go through all this but look at it as a learning experience. In time it will probably pass if you let it die down. Good luck.
^Agreed. As a side note, it may surprise some of the IR fans and white female performers but some of these black male porn stars might not be attracted to their white female scene partners or white women period. They do an IR scene because they do porn, it is their job, and IR is where the work is if you are a black male porn performer. Attraction goes both ways. Edited by - fanofman on 5/16/2017 11:44:06 AM
Bella, Regarding your post, I'm glad that you clarified the fact you were referring to SOME girls in your original statement; your original post made it seem as though those were the only reasons someone SHOULD do IR. However, I would argue that in this age of Blacked, DarkX, etc, your characterization of women waiting til their careers are winding down or doing IR out of desperation is fading fast. Granted, some people are still doing it. However, you're seeing many newbies come out the gate doing IR and still remaining relevant and popular. Financially, it would arguably make more sense to do IR soon after one starts rather than waiting years for one big payday; one would make more doing IR scenes over that year than doing that one big scene later on. Now Going off the rest of your statements, it seems we can conclude: 1)You will never have sex with someone you're not attracted to. 2) You will not perform sex acts because they are a big deal. 3) You could do IR if it's not with a dark skinned individual. Regarding point 1) Its perfectly fine for people to have sex with people they want to have sex with. Sex is intimate, after all. However, as a director said in response to this controversy, "I would ask those girls who "aren't attracted" to black men if they're "attracted" to all the goofy looking white dudes they work with." The minute that you have sex with someone who isn't traditionally attractive, your rationale here will be undercut. Regarding point 2) You said that "I didn't want to do IR because its such a big deal, and the fact that it is not equal to regular B/g." Does this mean you will never do anal, DP, B/B/G, Blowbangs, or other sex acts regarded as being a big deal that are not equal to regular B/G? Because the truth is, virtually everything outside of regular GG, BJ and B/G is a big deal. Regarding point 3) You said you are not attracted to very dark skinned individuals. There are plenty of light skinned black male performers: AVN Award Winner Ricky Johnson, Alex Jones, Donny Sins, Dirk Huge to name a few. Would these individuals qualify as dark skinned on your IR spectrum? The simplest way performers can make IR less racist is by not making it a big deal. Change in the industry comes from within.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - May 16 2017 : 7:04PM
Oh please! It always comes back to whether a star is racist or not.
^ People may bring it up, since people are wanton to do so and there's no rules against it, but we generally either straight dismiss it or talk around it. None of us can control what other people post, all we can control is if/how we respond to it. But from the first page of this thread (which I'm on, so I remember) that was never what this thread was primarily about.
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Posted - May 16 2017 : 7:12PM
Actually, Trump was elected because Clinton was a vile, evil, corrupt, power mad woman that the DNC and the media felt the need to ram down our throats. The country thought different and decided that Trump was less evil then Clinton. Your comment about attitudes ensuring society is never color blind" is basically you wanting to force tolerance on people which is actually just as offensive as racism. What you are saying is that someone is not allowed to say, "I am a racist because I have a problem with XYZ people!" But, you're allowed to say, "You're a bigot because you have a problem with XYZ people!" I don't care if people are racist or not because who am I to tell someone who to think. We live in a free society and that means we're free to think what we want. You do realize that we just finished up having a black president for the past 8 years don't you, so I think we're a little bit more color blind that you'd care to admit?
A little bit more color blind? In this era of Walls, Muslim bans, countering Black Lives Matter with all lives matter, protesting confederate statue removals, and the Alt Right in the white house? I'm going to guess you're a white man who voted for Trump. [/quote] you should care. it's attitudes like this that got trump elected and attitudes like this that will ensure society is never "color blind". [/quote] Actually, Trump was elected because Clinton was a vile, evil, corrupt, power mad woman that the DNC and the media felt the need to ram down our throats. The country thought different and decided that Trump was less evil then Clinton. Your comment about attitudes ensuring society is never color blind" is basically you wanting to force tolerance on people which is actually just as offensive as racism. What you are saying is that someone is not allowed to say, "I am a racist because I have a problem with XYZ people!" But, you're allowed to say, "You're a bigot because you have a problem with XYZ people!" I don't care if people are racist or not because who am I to tell someone who to think. We live in a free society and that means we're free to think what we want. You do realize that we just finished up having a black president for the past 8 years don't you, so I think we're a little bit more color blind that you'd care to admit? [/quote]
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Posted - May 16 2017 : 8:29PM
whatsatelephonebill is speaking factually.
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 4:35AM
Some care because they don't wish to support performers who are bigoted and/or racist against a particular population. That's what ruined Mel Gibson's reputation. And those who don't have a problem with said behavior probably agree with it.
^ This is as lame as the I don't like black men excuse , those who only watch IR already aren't supporting those who don't do it. So this basically is a non customer who say he'd stay a non customer to someone who doesn't sell the goods he wants and doesn't want to. LOL A Vegan threatening a butcher : I won't continue to support you unless you sell macrobiotic stuff!
Man you got to love that "I come from a small town" excuse. I'm a Black dude from Brooklyn, NY as opposed to that "small town", and I personally don't give a fuck about who Bella Rose wants to fuck or don't want to fuck. I don't worry about that shit man. You got Bree Olsen, Karlee Grey (who sent me an email on this site), Keisha Grey, Rikki White, Camron Canada, Alexa Grace Brianna Love, all beautiful White women who have done IR in their prime. And I'm supposed to give a fuck about some "small time...town" chick who doesn't fuck Black dudes? Man go head with that shit. Leah Lexis, Kate England, Mandy Muse, Brooklyn Chase, Chanel Preston, Dani Daniels, Lana Rhoades, Leah Gotti, A,J. Applegate, Jada Stevens...... Black dudes have survived Jenna Jameson, and Alexis Texas not doing IR...so I doubt there would be a mass Black male suicide if Bella Rose doesn't do IR. I'll be sure to spend my Black porn dollars WISELY.
You think those who prefer IR ONLY watch IR? You're mistaken. Girls nowadays make money in a variety of ways: dancing, snapchat, onlyfans, connectpal...those who prefer IR still contribute to these avenues as well as the main sites girls appear on as well.Edited by - Dickdrainersxxx on 5/17/2017 9:27:55 AM
^Out of curiosity, do you have any statistics via your own site or in general about the demographics (percentage of white male, black male, white female, etc.) of IR porn-paying customers? Who is buying your stuff? If it mostly black men or white men?
I do not have these statistics. I would assume that most of my fanbase consists of white men. There are more white people than black people in this country after all. However, I'd say I get an equal amount of feedback via twitter from blacks and whites. So I know that both white men and black men are purchasing.
^ Interesting that women, black or white, are not considered at all in that query. (especially when a woman started this thread and regularly posts in the DickDrainers thread).
^I mentioned white female in the question. I didn't list out every possible demographic but what I would assume to be the ones that typically would be purchasing IR (i.e,. white male, black male, and white females) porn. Edited by - fanofman on 5/17/2017 10:24:27 AM
No but many in some IR sites and even in some IR threads here on ADT have said they only watch IR as a matter of fact I am one of those who don't give a fuck about the races of those involved , I only care about the attractiveness of the girl
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - May 17 2017 : 11:20AM
So, if I read you correctly what you're saying is you don't worry about chicks who don't do IR and just focus on the chicks that do IR? Wow, that's a novel concept. Edited by - Rosco Fuji on 5/17/2017 1:36:45 PM
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 1:07PM
^^The bold part? I'm saying that there was never a time when people were "blind" to skin color/complexion. However, things like ethnicity and culture were more important for most of history. EDIT: Btw, welcome to the forums. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/17/2017 1:08:44 PM
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She's hot but not my type of stroke game, I don't play sword fights with that which mirrors me. 146 Posts 5/17
Posted - May 17 2017 : 1:56PM
Ouch!!! I think you're that's naive to think that. Africans never had a race system in which people were classified based on mix or appearance, a wholly European invention. My ancestors would have identified you with whatever tribe you were raised in. Native Americans are another example of a culture that did not use race as the basis for exclusion or inclusion into their societies, and the children of mixed unions were welcomed into the tribal societies. These intermarriages are one reason that so many Indians have French, Spanish and English last names and ethnically mixed heritage today. Google Black Indians who existed among Native Americans going back centuries. Ethnocentrism, was indeed in existence through human history but that's totally different animal. A light-skinned Nubian were no-less apart of the culture than and dark one. So you're wrong on that one. Edited by - Snowbunny Sorcerer on 5/17/2017 2:01:09 PM
I think a distinction can be made between "race" (a social construct) and "colour" (a fact of nature that doesn't determine hierarchy). The latter has of course always been a recognized thing; the former is most certainly an invention.
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 2:21PM
^I agree. I forget sometimes that it's important to define terms in conversations like these. I'm not even sure if I, Snowbunny Sorcerer, and chessmaster are all even defining "colorblindness" the same way.
Actually Ancient Romans were as such , they very scarcely mentioned anybody's complexion and as far as I know in Classic Latin there are no words to describe a black man or women in a derogative manner , the word niger is actually Latin and is the origin of the derogative Nigger , but in Latin it just meant "black" as a color
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 3:50PM
^Among academics, there exists disagreement over whether or not or to what extent ancient Romans viewed blacks as a race unto themselves, but I don't know of anyone in the field who argues that Romans were "blind" to blackness and didn't recognize differences in complexion. Even the late Lloyd Thompson, who in Romans and Blacks argued strenuously against the imposition of modern racial categories onto ancient Rome, never suggested that Romans were "blind" to skin color and differences in complexion. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/17/2017 3:52:06 PM
From my experience and the proof is in this thread...no one is "blind" to race. We can say we like to be, but being a black man I can tell you it's almost always the first thing I notice. I love my blackness and I think y'all know that. No need for derogatory terms here. So try try try to refrain from using them. Appreciated.
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 4:59PM
This blog post sums up where's I'm at with this: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/02/18/racism-before-1400/ 1) racism - dividing humans into "races" based on physical appearance, like skin colour, with the aim of ranking them from highest to lowest according to supposedly unchangeable, inborn qualities, like intelligence, civilization, moral character or beauty. 2) ethnocentrism - judging other cultures based on one's own. This leads to the illusion that one's own culture is best. From this comes stuff like "American exceptionalism", non-Greeks as "barbarians", China as the "Middle Kingdom" and Inuits as "the Real People". So based on that, in a "colorblindess"society would certainly NOT endose 1) but may or may not entail 2).LCF is largely correct, while there was scarce reference to one's skin color before the 15th century; Arab scholars often made note of it, this was minute and benign and meant nothing more than an observable... Sorry to bump this thread.
Go rim yourself. That's a Novel concept. Edited by - Escaped Slave on 5/17/2017 5:51:41 PM
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 7:09PM
And, on top of whatever you were saying, Indians don't use the term Native American and for the most part can't stand that term.
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On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - May 17 2017 : 7:13PM
Really, dude? I was agreeing with you. I've said the same thing numerous times before whenever someone complains about someone not doing I/R.
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Eco195 Deactivated User
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Posted - May 17 2017 : 11:44PM
An erroneous analogy. It's actually more like an actor/director getting support from a large percentage of the movie going public until it becomes known that they made vile comments about a particular group or groups. Once that happens those people can either still put money in that person's pocket or choose not to. This scenario happened with Mel Gibson. And it's the same with Bella Rose and girls similar to her. Before she made her comments her personal racial philosophy was unknown and she received a certain level of support. Now that she made her comments she'll receive less. So no it's not like the analogy you made.
