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Posted - Apr 17 2016 : 5:38AM
I'm not gayAs a matter of fact, yeah, I have been cutting back of sugary products. But what I cut out is not affecting anyone but ME. Edited by - Diamondjackman on 4/17/2016 5:39:47 AM
Make it two, I too think it was good I'd like to add Cheaters Retreat 1 and 2 to that, not IR movies but each contains a couple of them plus much more both movies are directly related
As is the typical B/G with men with shorter and slimmer dick than those of Mandingo , Lex , Moe , Charlie Macc , Sean Michaels , Rico Strong, Flash Brown, Michael Williams , Isaiah Maxwell , Rob Piper, Stallion and too many others to remember , an IR scene is gonna be demanding especially one with multiple men. You have a point
He said everybody charges more not just the black guys, but the black guys are the only ones going to do IR As for Asians I meant the black guys charging more for doing IR with Asian girls too when working for Jules , AFAIK no girls charges more to work with Asian men and it's funny how you consider back males charging more over their worthiness is only logical whereas a female star doing the same is being bribed. really funny
what expert opinion? You didn't provide any, just you saying that what you say comes from experts. Also I would value any opinion from anybody who doesn't have an interest or an agenda. A producer/director claiming for racism from a girl will save money if he manages to convince her to lower her rate to show him she's not racist , he has a direct interest , may be right, of course, but still there's an interest , hence whatever is been testified by him cannot be taken as seriously as those who don't have any interest In a Court he would be just dismissed , even if true there's still a doubt especially when he doesn't provide any detail On the other hand if a Producer/director just say he's being charged more , he states a fact , he's not asking for anything , it's factual. but apparently there are those handpicking whatever they deem useful to corroborate their statements eliminating whatever does not
Edited by - LCF on 4/17/2016 3:27:56 PM
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Posted - Apr 17 2016 : 3:52PM
That's one interpretation to try and buttress a false argument about Black/white scenes needing to be marketed as IR to sell. Another is the more likely one, namely that the biggest audience for features tend to be white couples and they want to see white actors. Also I just checked, it looks like a period film from the 19th Century and those don't sell as well as gonzo. So take those same actors, make it a gonzo film and it'll sell better. Regardless of whether one emphasizes race or not.
As far as I know, dick size makes no difference when it comes to scene rates. Women don't get paid more for fucking Danny D than they do for Seth Gamble or Derrick Pierce. So that's not a good point.So are you saying that black men charge Jules more because they know the scene is going to be IR? So if he actually told them that they were shooting with Teanna Trump or Channel Heart or Anya Ivy, they'd call back and say, oh, okay, then I'll lower it back to my regular scene rate?
Do you have any experience about having a foot of meat inside of you? I personally know a girl who wouldn't accept anything above average , I had my problems to convince her and I'm just 7"
You sure about that? Do you know how many stars have him in a no no list? There was a thread about that or there was a thread about no lists in porn and this was mentioned No my true point is that the stars charge more depending on the value of the scene they shoot, whether it is IR or not , but when a white girl does it, then the skin tone owerwhelms any other consideratin , with those parameters we could say the same for those black men who work with him. But then all of a sudden it's not a matter of race any more but a matter of worthiness instead. Really?
^^AJ ApplegateI'm sure you'll find a way to discredit her experience. Edited by - joey numbers on 4/18/2016 10:14:56 AM Edited by - joey numbers on 4/18/2016 10:16:12 AM
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Posted - Apr 18 2016 : 10:17AM
I see that Charlotte Cross has branded the "IR" category itself as racism: https://twitter.com/TheCrossXXX/status/718135486628241408 "I'm stopping here. I'm not racist because I haven't done an "IR" scene, I'm not waiting on some big check to do one. The racist people are ...The fucking directors and producers that shoot the shit and brand it as an "IR" scene. THATS RACISM. You're all sheeple, if you want to stop. ... Racism within the industry, stop it at the fucking source. Stop shooting things that are branded as "IR" 🖕🏼 " Thanks to ViolentSaint for posting.
Having someone on a no list means you won't shoot with them at all, not that you need to be paid extra to do so. So I don't know how that factors into your equation about charging more. Yes, some women have the larger male performers on no lists because they can't handle them. Funny story, I've actually been on a set where a performer went ahead and did the scene with someone on their no list for that exact reason (the guy was Bruce Venture), and she didn't ask to get paid more for it. And again, the we couldn't say that because the black men don't actually know that the scene is IR before he asks them. The black men would, more than likely, ask the rate that they're asking no matter what race the woman they were shooting with are, seeing as Jules came back and said that everyone actually quotes him at a higher rate, no matter what the scene is. And I say all that as someone who is absolutely not against female performers asking for a higher rate for their first IR scenes, because if we know that it's going to be more valuable to the producer, then the performer has a right to ask for some of that money. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 4/18/2016 10:51:22 AM
so they fuck slowly , but what this has to do with measures? I said that measures themselves could be demanding , despite how slowly you fuck And I'm sure you'll easily find a plethora of chicks willing to get the Dingo or Lex up the ass like AJ does regularly
You were on a porn set and they allowed you to witness all the dealing part of it? I thought it was dealt with at AGENTS level way in advance , that you didn't hear her asking for more money doesn't prove she didn't at all. secondly for the bold part , they know exactly what it is, do not pretend they don't, and yes they charge the same whether the girl is White or Asian and this for every scene they do. Most of the girls only charge more for their first anyway you did admit that there are girls putting big dicks even white dick in a no list but then they accept to shoot with them , why this shouldn't be applied for black guys with big dicks , way bigger than bruce in same cases. on a side note , those who put the black guys in their entirety on a no list are called racist even though it's done exactly because of that big measures , but then since they are not on a no list then they are racist because they want more for a demanding scene. It's ok for Bruce , but not for Lex, is that so?
^ I don't know for sure , some white guys have been mentioned on this board for that , it would only be logical that some black guys are in such lists too and for the same reason.
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Posted - Apr 18 2016 : 4:16PM
^I don't doubt that some black guys are on pornstars' no lists for their penis size. However, I don't know about pornstars placing all black men on their no lists for that reason.
^ They can't without being tagged racists, besides not all the black talents are big , though some of those refusing to do IR might be doing or better not doing that exactly for fear of their size. Of course racists do exist but we already know some white supremacists porn performers had no problems doing IR while still in career.
I was on set enough to know that the director actually didn't find out that Bruce was on her no list until that day, when she told the make-up artist. She didn't make a big deal about it and agreed to do the scene anyway, honestly she was mostly pissed at her agent for agreeing to the scene knowing that the guy was on her no list. So maybe, in theory, she went back after the scene and asked for more money, but I highly doubt it. And again, they know it's a scene for Jules and they're charging more money because it's a scene for Jules, not because it's an IR scene. And again, this is born out by the fact that Jules flat out said that EVERYONE quotes him at a higher rate. And like misspornusa, I've literally never heard of a female performer that put all black performers on their no list because of size, because not every black male performer is Lex or Mandingo sized. Just to use a simple example, Prince, sizewise, isn't that much different from someone like Johnny Sins or Adriano.
Daisy Marie did lots of IR when she first entered the biz and then stopped completely. She was on the HOWARD STERN show and when asked about IR sex she said she used to do it but stopped because the guys were so big that after a scene she couldn't shoot for a few days and so she stopped doing IR and said "it wasn't worth it". Just telling what she said. I know the first thought will be "Not all black guys are that big..." or "She did a scene with "X" white performer and he's just as big..." or whatever...but I'm just telling you what she said.
So you do support discrimination when it suits you.Well how is what a porn star does affecting anyone but that porn star? If they only use toys, so what? If they only do lesbian, so what? If they only do white guys, so what? If they make more money by doing one type of niche, because for whatever reasons their target demographic particularly likes this star doing it, so what? There are no individual porn stars whose behaviors hold sway over the whole industry, over the whole market. At any given moment there's just a handful who may be postponing doing IR in order to raise their hype and get a little extra dough. That amount of money is usually trifling, so I think the only logic that really supports that postponement is to hype it more whenever it does happen. They aren't affecting things in any meaningful or significant way. It's about as consequential as your diet. You're not entitled to all pornstars conforming to your taste anymore than you are entitled to have all foodstuffs having the ingredients you favor, catering to your gluten-free or non-GMO needs to boot. Just like we are not entitled to judge you for not being into gay porn. That doesn't make you homophobic does it? And I'm pretty sure the vast majority of male pornstars in the industry aren't avoiding doing homosexual content on account of being homophobic. There's other factors, and dismissing those to launch personal attacks on them is wrong. People are so quick to judge, and fake moral panics result in hysteria and witch hunts. There's no bad guy here.
That is so retarded/misguided. But I think that retardation is a direct consequence of other moral-outrage brigadiers who attacked her as racist for not doing IR. So she's internalized this stupidity and become just like them. Now she sounds just like an SJW. At least Alexis Texas doesn't even dignify this stupidity with a response, but she has the privilege of having 800k followers, so she feels no impetus to fight for herself. She doesn't have to. But if you're a newer name, with a relatively small following, you would probably feel more threatened by the mob. Anyway it just goes to show, no matter what side of the issue you're on, throwing around the term "racist" just emphasizes the lack of substance to your argument.
Eh, I think there are more people who like IR who find the category helpful than there are people who discriminate against it (if only for reasons of taste) to exclusion. Meanwhile, for most of the indifferent crowd, the IR label isn't necessarily helpful because it makes no difference. I just looked at the adultDVDempire top 25 sellers, and 7 of them were IR. On XRent, usually half of the top 10 are IR. I really don't think that the IR categorization exists more for those who discriminate against it but rather for those who discriminate in favor of it. Else, it would be like arguing that the "anal" category exists so most people can avoid it. I highly doubt that, although there are many who would find it helpful because they are averse to anal scenes. It's mostly there because it's very popular and most people with feelings on it one way or another are in probably in favor of it. Now, a category like BBW on the other hand is another deal. I would say that definitely exists with a mutual interest, or perhaps greater interest for those who would rather avoid it.
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Posted - Apr 21 2016 : 11:06AM
Random comment to move to the end of the thread about forced tolerance being just as offensive as racism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who cares if a girl is racist and doesn't want to work with black guys? There are a ton of girls who will work with blacks and will play into the whole "Stick you big black cock into my tight white pussy" "Give me your black cum" "Fuck me with you nigger cock" "Give me your nigger baby"genre etc etc etc. Find some and enjoy them. The minute the term "business decision" comes into play for doing a particular type of scene, the whole "I really want to do an I/R triple anal scene, because I do them all the time in my person life, but I just haven't found the right project" argument goes out the window.
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Posted - Apr 21 2016 : 12:14PM
^A great many consumers do not view pornstars as interchangeable, and so they want to see a specific pornstar do a specific act, be it b/g, IR, anal, dp, air tight, etc. The "'Fuck me with you nigger cock' 'Give me your nigger baby'genre" is, sadly, pretty much dead outside of Clips 4 Sale.
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Posted - Apr 21 2016 : 1:38PM
The whole nature of females in porn is interchangeable given that 95% of them all have the same overall fabricated look and/or name.
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Posted - Apr 21 2016 : 2:02PM
^I don't doubt that you view pornstars as generally interchangeable, but surely you realize that many others do not share your view. So, for example, when fans were constantly wishing that Riley Reid would shoot anal, what good would it have done to tell them to watch the anal scenes of another pornstar with a similar physical appearance? They wanted Riley Reid to shoot anal. The same is true of IR, etc.
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So according to this interpretation it's also safe the girls on JJ movies didn't ask more for IR they did because it's Jules? I'm pretty sure I heard of at least one star who removed IR from her profile exactly because of that, let me find her statement and I'll put it here
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Posted - Apr 21 2016 : 6:37PM
Wishing and hoping someone does I/R and/or anal is one thing and I get that. However; it's only porn not some life changing event. Did you ever notice that on the whole IR, anal, and girls leaving porn without calling a press conference, there is more crying and whining than a bunch of tweenyboppers at a Justin Bieber because he didn't play their favorite song.
That depends. Did they quote Jules a higher rate for an IR scene (that wasn't their first) than they did for any other producer that asked them to shoot an IR scene? Did they quote him higher than if he had asked them to shoot a non-IR scene (because I'd argue there aren't that many performers that Jules has shot in an IR scene that he hasn't shot in a non-IR scene). If you can answer those questions, then I can answer yours.
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Posted - Apr 30 2016 : 12:05PM
The problem here is that you make no distinction between reasonable criticism and mindless watchdog hate.
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Posted - Apr 30 2016 : 12:42PM
MisspornUSA, the main criticism of IR d***ers are because many of them seek to dismiss IR completely without knowing the facts, right? Edited by - Diamondjackman on 4/30/2016 4:16:12 PM
^^^ Actually I do , if this is not apparent I'm sorry about that, I sure as hell don't think you're one of those for example in the case at hand , I'm not putting names here but you know who I'm talking about, she said something about doing IR given some circumstances , then went under contract , them semiretired then came back meanwhile Blacked and some others went on top of the game and she did IR with them. The discussion was about what she said in a maybe 4 lines (8 or 9 actually but it was the left half side of the page only) statement on her blog She generalized a lot she also said that being a real life swinger she already had sex with black men and that she didn't want to perpetuate the racist portrayal of IR sex she saw in the industry , she added that under the right circumstances she would. Discussing the matter on one of the many IR threads here I pointed out she got all wrong and that there were some IR scenarios who weren't racially stretched beginning from Lex (didn't mention JJV , Black Owned series stresses it on the title although not so much in the scenes) I asked in Blacked Thread and in Mimefrea's thread to call her out since none of them was depicting any such racially stressed situations in their scenes, both were very new back then. She then signed with Brazzers for her "last scenes" so it was their call , she then went on hiatus then reconsidered and is back performing , this time Blacked called her out and offered what she said would fit her requirement, she kept her word and did it. That's the way I saw all of it. At this point why I see as almost gratuitous all the attacks she's getting is very apparent. I may be wrong of course, but still
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Posted - Apr 30 2016 : 1:31PM
^I don't have a problem with her choice to wait, I just wish that in justifying that wait she hadn't perpetuated a myth about IR. Rabid IR watchdogs might have gone after her either way, but regular IR fans wouldn't
^ well it's difficult to address such a complex matter in just very few lines on a blog in response to some statement placed somewhere we don't know about
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Posted - Apr 30 2016 : 3:37PM
^Ultimately we'll have to agree to disagree, but imho you are reaching again. Brandi didn't have to allege that the vast majority of IR in 2014 consisted of hard raceplay.
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Posted - Apr 30 2016 : 4:21PM
No, the most legitimate, I think most IR lovers have minimal problem with girls 'waiting', but the excuse they use not to perform in it to begin with. Like the comments Carter Cruise and Brandi Love made. And like you pointed out, Peta Jenson got NOT one iota of backlash because she didn't disrespect or demean IR porn, she simply wanted to wait. Same with other girls like Ariana Marie & Aidra fox. Edited by - Diamondjackman on 4/30/2016 4:26:37 PM Edited by - Diamondjackman on 5/1/2016 5:06:28 AM
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Posted - Apr 30 2016 : 4:31PM
And Brandi comes off as one of the more well versed and well informed pornstars (to me anyway), so for her to have made such a misguided statement about it kind of deflated any perception of an otherwise well informed pornstar. Edited by - Diamondjackman on 5/1/2016 5:04:04 AM
But Dani Daniels was, and so was Keisha Grey even though Keisha swore she already shot two scenes , and she actually did, for blacked before they came out and she was called names the gentler of them was "liar" go figure , that for Dani Daniels was incredible she was a GG only performers for almost two years but for reason I can't understand was judged a dodger , Prince put a couple pictures of him and her and complimented her for the night. Then HE was attacked for helping a dodger to sustain her lies and baits, and this is a thing I could never forget , the reality was she was shooting an IR showcase for Blacked and couldn't talk about it and neither could one of the talents involved i.e. Prince. I have infinite examples of supreme idiocy at its worst . it doesn't seem to stop maybe some of those got some sense and this is why Peta survived
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Posted - Apr 17 2016 : 5:38AM
True, some fans invest too much.